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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Correct; General Lee was an American. That's why I can apply the label of "traitor" accurately.

    "There's more to him than war."

    Very true. Adoph Hitler was a staunch anti-smoking advocate. The Unabomber's dissertation won the Sumner B. Myers Prize for Michigan's best math dissertation of the year. Lots of great things you can say about these people.

    But they're completely overshadowed by the fact that Hitler was a genocidal monster, the Unabomber killed or injured over two dozen victims, and Robert E. Lee was a traitor who used his military skills to kill American soldiers.
    General Lee was absolutely NOT a traitor -- certainly not your decision anyway.

    Urged by a fellow officer to take to the mountains and lead a guerilla war against the Yankees, Lee refused. He retorted that further resistance was futile and would only bring more bloodshed and a “state of affairs it would take the country years to recover from.” “There is nothing for me to do but go and see General Grant,” he concluded, “and I would rather die a thousand deaths.” He met and surrendered to Grant, and ordered all of his men to do the same. After Lee departed Appomattox Courthouse, Grant sternly told his own troops, “the rebels are our countrymen again.” General Robert E. Lee was not charged with treason and he spent no time in jail. During the brief five years that he lived following the Civil War, Robert E. Lee became the president of Washington College (now Washington and Lee) in Virginia. Interestingly, whenever Lee marched the Washington College military cadets onto and off the campus parade grounds, he declined to march in step with his “troops.” He died on October 12, 1870, respected in the North for his character and beloved in the South for his fighting ability.

    I'm going to go with Grant and his assertion that southerners were once again union citizens and the fact that he was never even brought to trail for treason tells me everything I need to know.

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    LOL... The liberals at Wikipedia.

    Heh heh heh...
    Do a thesis and use Wikipedia as your "source;" your college professor will love you.

    *Don't forget to credit them in the introduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    The other guy refused to answer this. Maybe you'll be mature enough to.

    Do you recognize the CSA as a separate entity from the Union at the time of secession?
    "Entity?" As in official government or military representative of a government? No, they massively failed in their attempt to secede so that negates that. "Entity" as in a loosely formed group attempting a revolt? Yes. They were most definitely a group that was separate from the US government and US military.

    If you're having trouble with basic history like this and need help, you could think of the CSA as being somewhat like Al Qaeda or ISIS, a radicalized structured and militarized group with no concrete ties to a recognized national government. Not a perfect comparison but much better than saying something so obviously ridiculous like the CSA was the US military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    "Entity?" As in official government or military representative of a government? No, they massively failed in their attempt to secede so that negates that. "Entity" as in a loosely formed group attempting a revolt? Yes. They were most definitely a group that was separate from the US government and US military.

    If you're having trouble with basic history like this and need help, you could think of the CSA as being somewhat like Al Qaeda or ISIS, a radicalized structured and militarized group with no concrete ties to a recognized national government. Not a perfect comparison but much better than saying something so obviously ridiculous like the CSA was the US military.
    Ah, trying to split hairs. Classic technique when you get pushed into a corner.

    This is simple. The CSA was not a recognized organization by the federal government. They were considered rebels.

    See how easy that was?

    Now YOU and the confederates recognize the CSA which I find odd for someone "claiming" to be against the CSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Separate of what?

    CSA soldiers didn't receive paychecks from the US military.
    They actually had the same ability to collect a pension as union solders. Pretty common knowledge, even Wikipedia can't point this out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    "Entity?" As in official government or military representative of a government? No, they massively failed in their attempt to secede so that negates that. "Entity" as in a loosely formed group attempting a revolt? Yes. They were most definitely a group that was separate from the US government and US military.

    If you're having trouble with basic history like this and need help, you could think of the CSA as being somewhat like Al Qaeda or ISIS, a radicalized structured and militarized group with no concrete ties to a recognized national government. Not a perfect comparison but much better than saying something so obviously ridiculous like the CSA was the US military.
    If they could have been considered the CSA, they would not be "traitors" even by your own definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    If they could have been considered the CSA, they would not be "traitors" even by your own definition.
    He's not grasping his own logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    He's not grasping his own logic
    ... And he by and large avoids me -- who can blame him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    General Robert E Lee was born on January 19, 1807

    Martin Luther King Jr's birthday is actually January 15, but is celebrated on the third Monday of every January.

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    Thanks... I guess?
    Your assertion was that Robert E Lee was celebrated conspicuously close to MLK day....


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