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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Shut up if don't have anything to add. This is a debate forum -- not a "my side vs your side" Battle Royal.
    What is a debate without at least two sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You can call Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis a traitor all day long. The South doesn't look at that as an insult. In the South it was people like General Sherman who burned the houses of civilians that were seen as traitors. Of course, the South built statutes and monuments to their heroes and not Union officers. The Union was seen as the aggressors. The north may have won the war but they won't be carved on Stone Mountain any time soon.
    Sherman was a hero, Lee was a traitor, easy as that. BTW, your not Southern so don't pretend to comment on how we feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    Sherman was a hero, Lee was a traitor, easy as that. BTW, your not Southern so don't pretend to comment on how we feel.
    Texas was not a part of the old South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Texas was not a part of the old South.
    So?

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    LMAO @you.

    Go pound your chest some more....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Going by the dictionary definition of the word (pick your favorite dictionary), he was a traitor. He may have been pardoned - but that doesn't change anything. He led troops against U.S. soldiers who were fighting for the United States of America.
    Lee was not pardoned. In fact - he wasn't even given citizenship until 100 years later when President Ford restored it.

    Yes - Lee fought against U.S. soldiers. But he did not do so as a U.S. citizen - rather as a citizen of Virginian that had seceded from the Union. And that is not treason. That is called war - which is why those captured during the Civil War were treated as prisoners of war - not traitors.

    You - and others - can keep repeating that Lee was a traitor until you are all blue in the face if you want. But it doesn't make it any more true. He was not charged with treason because he did not commit treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Lee was not pardoned. In fact - he wasn't even given citizenship until 100 years later when President Ford restored it.

    Yes - Lee fought against U.S. soldiers. But he did not do so as a U.S. citizen - rather as a citizen of Virginian that had seceded from the Union. And that is not treason. That is called war - which is why those captured during the Civil War were treated as prisoners of war - not traitors.

    You - and others - can keep repeating that Lee was a traitor until you are all blue in the face if you want. But it doesn't make it any more true. He was not charged with treason because he did not commit treason.
    Treasonous bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Everything is more complicated than most people allow for. Like those who think of Robert E. Lee as a heroic abolitionist who bravely fought and killed for a movement he didn't really support while simultaneously not raising arms against the country he swore an oath to protect.

    It's a lot more complicated than that ridiculous tripe.
    I did not say Lee was a heroic abolitionist. So this comment has nothing to do with what I said, therefore makes no sense as a retort to my comment.

    What I said is that Lee did not fight to preserve slavery. And he didn't. He fought for the independence of his State - which had seceded from the Union.

    The ridiculous tripe here is this notion that everyone who fought for the south did so for the sole purpose of preserving slavery - which isn't true. I should remind you that there were several states in the Union where slavery was still legal - and Lincoln himself said the goal of the civil war was not to end slavery. In fact - and if you want to get technical - slavery was actually outlawed in the south before it was in the North.
    Last edited by Jeremy; 12th January 2018 at 06:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Treasonous bastards.
    By that logic America was founded by treasonous bastards since the colonists declared their independence from Great Britain.

    So I guess George Washington was a treasonous bastard as well. Maybe we should stop celebrating his birthday also. Oh - he also had slaves - and a lot more than Lee ever had.
    Last edited by Jeremy; 12th January 2018 at 07:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Texas was not a part of the old South.
    Texas was part of the Confederacy.

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