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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    There is no such thing as insurance that covers only birth control. That's actually one of the points that came up in oral arguments this week.
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    I never said there was.

    I said the employees could simply sign up for the ACA, which offers healthcare that covers birth control. I see no need to force the nuns to provide this kind of coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Answer this question: Does a religious organization, that has their Health insurance coverage with a carrier, have the right to force that carrier not to provide BC coverage to another company not affiliated with the religious organization?
    No.

    This isn't the first time the Little Sisters have gotten all Vaticany over birth control and abortion. I know them from Chicago where they often serve as the source of religious law suits.

    All the Little Sisters had to do was opt out and they didn't pay for BC.

    This case is deeply effected by the death of A. Scalia.

    The Little Sisters lost one vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    There is a compelling reason for health insurance to provide birth control--it's part of basic women's health coverage. Every medical organization that makes judgments about standards of care says so. And not every kind of birth control is cheap. The cost isn't negligible.

    I think the hyperventilating is on the other side. All they need do is fill out a form that declares their position on the issue. The Catholic Church has dozens of statements of faith. Why is one more so onerous?
    There is no compelling reason to force religious to pay for it, and many women do not use birth control pills.

    There are so many exemptions already out there already. Why do they need to sign something? Is this Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Castro's Cuba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    There is a compelling reason for health insurance to provide birth control--it's part of basic women's health coverage.
    That's a legitimate point.

    But the ACA provides health insurance that does provide birth control. And that is available to the employees.

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    Cheap birth control pills are readily available.

    ... There’s also Seasonale, and its generic versions jolessa, introvale, and quasense. The brand name is between $269 and $278 at local pharmacies (it’s for three months though, but that’s still pricey at about $90 a month), but prices for the generic versions are much less, between $60 and $70 for a three-month supply at Rite Aid, CVS, and Walgreens (so around $20 a month). Other local pharmacies have much higher prices, around $105 to $110 for three months’ worth of pills, which is why it pays to search around and compare prices.

    If $20 or so a month still seems like it’s too much (or the products available at those prices aren’t suitable for some reason) there are even less expensive options. The generic aviane, for example, is $11 at Walgreens, $12 at CVS, and $13 at Rite Aid (all with coupon). Sprintec, another generic, is $9 for a month’s supply at Walmart and Target.

    Walmart actually has nine different generic birth control pills available for $9 a month, according to their $4 generic drug list (apparently they can’t do it for $4?). Sprintec and what I’m guessing is a variant called tri-sprintec appear to be the only birth control pills offered by Target as part of their $4 generics program.

    If in fact you really are looking for a $4 generic birth control pill, there are still options. Philith and gildagia, both generic versions of Ovcon, are available at Target as well as what GoodRx can only identify as a local membership warehouse (i.e. Costco, Sam’s Club, or BJ’s) for $3.77. Other local pharmacies including Safeway, Walmart, and CVS all carry the same pills for about $6 or $7.

    Birth control & self-pay patients |

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Cheap birth control pills are readily available.



    Birth control & self-pay patients |
    Sigh...men are so clueless..

    Not every women can take BC pills for a variety of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I never said there was.

    I said the employees could simply sign up for the ACA, which offers healthcare that covers birth control. I see no need to force the nuns to provide this kind of coverage.
    They are employers. In the US we've come to provide insurance through employers. If you're supporting a single-payer program that provides health care for all citizens regardless of employment, I'm totally with you. But so long as we have a system that tries to preserve what's already been going on since the 1940's, we're stuck with what we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    There is no compelling reason to force religious to pay for it, and many women do not use birth control pills.
    Many people don't do a lot of things, so that answer is kind of vacuous. And "religion" isn't paying for anything--an employer is. And in this case, the employer doesn't even have to do that if they'll just say "I don't want to do that."

    There are so many exemptions already out there already. Why do they need to sign something?
    Because that's how they get the exemption.
    Is this Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Castro's Cuba?
    Why all this hyperventilating about what governments, without exception, do all the time? Is every government Nazi Germany or the USSR to you? You really do talk like an anarchist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    They are employers. In the US we've come to provide insurance through employers. If you're supporting a single-payer program that provides health care for all citizens regardless of employment, I'm totally with you. But so long as we have a system that tries to preserve what's already been going on since the 1940's, we're stuck with what we have.
    Well if anything, this certainly gives us just one more reason to pursue a single-payer program that provides healthcare for all. We could avoid situations like this if we did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The nuns choose to provide health insurance for their employees, and that insurance has to comply with the law. If they want their employees to "sign up for the ACA," they should just stop providing insurance.
    Hobby Lobby case says you cannot force people to violate their 1st Amendment rights.

    If a person wants coverage they can purchase a rider for the coverage..

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