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    Swiss Voters Reject 'Basic Income' Measure

    By an overwhelming majority.


    Swiss voters rejected by a wide margin on Sunday a proposal to introduce a guaranteed basic income for everyone living in the wealthy country after an uneasy debate about the future of work at a time of increasing automation.

    Supporters had said introducing a monthly income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2,563) per adult and 625 francs per child under 18 no matter how much they work would promote human dignity and public service.

    Opponents, including the government, said it would cost too much and weaken the economy.

    Provisional final results showed 76.9 percent of voters opposed the bold social experiment launched by Basel cafe owner Daniel Haeni and allies in a vote under the Swiss system of direct democracy.


    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/swiss-vote...-business.html

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    I think the article covered it fairly well....they are a bit timid and afraid to do it. Its such a different perspective and system, and even those who wanted to vote yes had fears and trepidation and are hoping someone else does it first and works out the kinks so they dont have to! Understandable.

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    A woman named Meleanie said she reluctantly voted "no".

    "I find that it is a real danger that once people just get their basic needs covered society doesn't feel responsible any more to look after the ones who can't really handle the situation on their own", she said.


    What I do like about this, regardless if I agree with the outcome or not, its democratic. I dont believe that democracy means that people will always make the humane decision, will always uphold the highest standard in ethics or make the best possible decision, but I do think its the best way instead of a few elites deciding things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    I can see why, they probably did a little bit of math and realized that they would be broke very quick by implementing this.

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    They got tent cities there? How many poor live in Switzerland? They're probably more afraid of out of country people showing up and asking for a basic income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    I heard this on a libertarian radio program. They thought Switzerland was a Nordic, socialist country.

    Too funny!
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    People in Switzerland start to consider that in a few years, there will be less jobs in industry and even services because of robots. So what to do if there are more jobs disappearing than new ones created. The initiative tried to bring an answer to that offering a prospect,and its purpose was more to make people think over the future, than anything less, because the people who proposed that initiative to voters knew that they would loose anyway this time.
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    Swiss Voters Reject 'Basic Income' Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    I think the article covered it fairly well....they are a bit timid and afraid to do it. Its such a different perspective and system, and even those who wanted to vote yes had fears and trepidation and are hoping someone else does it first and works out the kinks so they dont have to! Understandable.

    For example,(from the OP article)

    A woman named Meleanie said she reluctantly voted "no".

    "I find that it is a real danger that once people just get their basic needs covered society doesn't feel responsible any more to look after the ones who can't really handle the situation on their own", she said.


    What I do like about this, regardless if I agree with the outcome or not, its democratic. I dont believe that democracy means that people will always make the humane decision, will always uphold the highest standard in ethics or make the best possible decision, but I do think its the best way instead of a few elites deciding things like this.
    *And the Paul Krugmans and central bankers of the world roll their eyes and mumble profanity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    People in Switzerland start to consider that in a few years, there will be less jobs in industry and even services because of robots. So what to do if there are more jobs disappearing than new ones created. The initiative tried to bring an answer to that offering a prospect,and its purpose was more to make people think over the future, than anything less, because the people who proposed that initiative to voters knew that they would loose anyway this time.
    if you don't mind, would you happen to know what the voter participation rate was for that vote?

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