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    Football Coach Stopped by Atheist from Praying With Team Players Keep Tradition going

    "You may have stopped our coach from praying, but you can't stop us."
    This was the implicit message relayed by the members of a high school football team in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. to an atheist group, The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). The defiant response came after the FFRF succeeded in stopping Dunmore High School football coach Jack Henzes from leading his team in prayer at the 50-yard-line, temporarily stopping a nearly five-decade-old prayer tradition, according to Faith Wire.
    Henzes had reportedly been leading the team in prayer before kick-off each game for the past 45 years before the FFRF filed a complaint over the practice, WBRE-TV reported.
    The atheist activist group claimed that what the coach was doing was unconstitutional since his prayer was allegedly an endorsement of religion, an act banned in the U.S. Constitution.


    Nevertheless, Dunmore School District acceded to the FFRF complaint, which was made in June, and stopped Henzes from leading his team in prayer.
    But this did not stop Henzes' players from praying on the field before a game, even without their coach, knowing that student-led prayer is allowed in public schools.
    The players said they will carry on their school's prayer tradition, despite their coaches' absence.
    U.S. Football Coach Stopped by Atheists from Praying With Team, But Players Keep Tradition Going | Christian News on Christian Today
    This is a good solution to this issue. If the coach has to stop praying the players can continue on their own and the FFRF can do nothing about it. Good for these players. The FFRF will have to hunt for another coach trying to teach his players good life lessons to stop. They learned to honor God and they have an undefeated season.

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    "You may have stopped our coach from praying, but you can't stop us."
    This was the implicit message relayed by the members of a high school football team in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. to an atheist group, The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).
    The FFRF doesn't care if students pray. They never have cared about students praying. As long as the school staff isn't involved, there's no problem.

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    Actually, student-led prayer is also not permissible. See Santa Fe Independent School Dist. V. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000). Students may, of course, pray on an individual basis, but that is not what is occurring here.
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    .They learned to honor God and they have an undefeated season.
    Yeah, 'cuz God's like, really concerned about high school football. And a deity with the ability to create a universe is so insecure that being properly worshipped by his creations is his top priority.

    If I was God I'd be insulted by this kind of shit.
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    On my campus there are Christians that pray all the time, nobody interferes with them. Groups of Muslims pray a lot also that I see. Not sure if I could pray with them since I am not staff, I am technically a contractor and student but I don't, I just sometimes stand a way's back and listen but to avoid any conflict of interest I don't do it. Even our most liberal staff never interferes or tells the kids to stop when they are praying so even if it isn't legal its certainly not enforced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Actually, student-led prayer is also not permissible. See Santa Fe Independent School Dist. V. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000). Students may, of course, pray on an individual basis, but that is not what is occurring here.
    I would love to see the FFRF try to stop the players from praying. Would the school then suspend students praying if they didn't comply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Yeah, 'cuz God's like, really concerned about high school football. And a deity with the ability to create a universe is so insecure that being properly worshipped by his creations is his top priority.

    If I was God I'd be insulted by this kind of shit.
    If you studied the History of Israel the Kings that honored God had years of blessings. Those Kings that didn't were defeated in wars and experienced poor harvest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    On my campus there are Christians that pray all the time, nobody interferes with them. Groups of Muslims pray a lot also that I see. Not sure if I could pray with them since I am not staff, I am technically a contractor and student but I don't, I just sometimes stand a way's back and listen but to avoid any conflict of interest I don't do it. Even our most liberal staff never interferes or tells the kids to stop when they are praying so even if it isn't legal its certainly not enforced.
    Students can pray at schools. Its where the teachers or staff appear to be leading in prayer there would be a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    On my campus...
    ... which is not a "public school" within the meaning of any of these court cases. The students at a college campus are adults.
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