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    To get around the "fruit of the poison tree" problem, I sense the 'legal justification' for this centers on the argument that any found evidence of a crime was 'voluntarily' released to Geek Squad's commissioned snitches. I don't necessarily like it, but it's not unprecedented....law enforcement use confidential informants and set up "sting" operations all the time. To snare their prey, they often pose as hit men, drug dealers, fences, outlaw bikers, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    A virus scan can be run without opening every folder? No shit! But if running that virus scan you flag a folder full of child porn or classified information are you calling the authorities? Or are you going to protect the criminals?
    Completely different discussion. The one we are having is about this: (from the OP): Third, the FBI and prosecutors withheld crucial information about how exactly the image was discovered. It wasn't due to normal technical service operations by the Geek Squad. It was because the techs had been recruited by the FBI, trained, and encouraged to do these highly technical deep searches to find suspicious materials in order to receive cash payments as rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    A virus scan can be run without opening every folder? No shit! But if running that virus scan you flag a folder full of child porn or classified information are you calling the authorities? Or are you going to protect the criminals?
    Bullshit question, SD, and you know it. This isn't about me, and what I would or would not do.

    Running a commercial virus scan product has never flagged a folder containing child porn or classified information, to my knowledge. Now, the FBI can perhaps jigger up some kind of program that would do that, but it's not a program I would would allow in my store. Unlike law enforcement, I have ethical standards for running my business.

    Now, run along and ask your next loaded "when did you stop beating your wife?" game with somebody else. I find your lack of moral principles, and unwillingness to adhere to professional rules of conduct, both loathsome and reprehensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Bullshit question, SD, and you know it. This isn't about me, and what I would or would not do.

    Running a commercial virus scan product has never flagged a folder containing child porn or classified information, to my knowledge. Now, the FBI can perhaps jigger up some kind of program that would do that, but it's not a program I would would allow in my store. Unlike law enforcement, I have ethical standards for running my business.

    Now, run along and ask your next loaded "when did you stop beating your wife?" game with somebody else. I find your lack of moral principles, and unwillingness to adhere to professional rules of conduct, both loathsome and reprehensible.
    He's just trying (again) to turn this into a 'liberals are on the side of criminals' faux argument.

    As a conservative, he should be appalled at this over-reach by the FBI!

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    I'm watching the argument about how bad Best Buy or the government was for how they got the information. What about the fact that it was there in the first place? The crime is okay because you don't like the way the evidence was found?

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    Amendment IV - Constitution of the United States of America

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


    While some may argue the grey area created by "security" of zee fatherland, others will ask where the warrant and the proof of "probable cause", for a search that might be deemed "unreasonable", to take place, is.

    But we don't need no gubment, do we? Even if it is for one part of it, to keep the other parts of it, in line.

    If the story is true, as with all else, hopefully, with some investigation, it can be determined whether this is a widespread practice by the FBI that needs to be checked (if there is no "reasonable" "probable cause") because it works against the "general welfare" of the public or if this is one of just a few isolated incidents that may be found to have no merit and may be cause for defamation if it hurt those identified.

    While it is often difficult to swallow and at times a dliemma/conundrum, breaking the law to enforce the law runs into some concerns for those who see the conflict in the overall principal of doing so, where that can lead and the reasons the founders sought to limit/balance invasions of privacy for a variety of reasons. 9/11/01 changed some of that with the "war on terrorism" and the institution of the Department of Homeland Security and any cross department/agency cooperation and coordination.

    With Donald Trump stressing fear (fear mongering) and simultaneously, a need for security and mistrust of the government he is chief executive of and its security agencies, one can expect perhaps that Trump, the braggadocio who claims to know more and be better than anyone else, at just about anything, will dictate, via Tweets, what constitutes his "reality" and "truth", as well as what is or what is not, a reasonable expectation of privacy in the U.S..

    One might imagine, as with all things Trump, that whatever comes from Mr. Trump, will be designed to at any one time or another, to be to his personal advantage, painting a rosy portrait of himself, regardless of whether what he says one day contradicts with what he said the day, week, month, year or several years, before.

    One can only hope that level heads, justice and fairness, prevail, NOT fear mongering, zealotry, dangerous egotistical narcissism or misplaced and blind loyalty, to anything, anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I'm watching the argument about how bad Best Buy or the government was for how they got the information. What about the fact that it was there in the first place? The crime is okay because you don't like the way the evidence was found?
    Oh good Lord...

    We have laws and legal precedent invalidating illegal searches and seizures not because we're okay with any crimes that might go unpunished but because we recognize that the consequences of allowing the government to search and seize evidence without duly adjudicated probable cause is a worse threat to society's well being than the occasional unpunished criminal.

    Honestly, most folks in this country used to agree with that principle and I hope and believe most folks still do.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Oh good Lord...

    We have laws and legal precedent invalidating illegal searches and seizures not because we're okay with any crimes that might go unpunished but because we recognize that the consequences of allowing the government to search and seize evidence without duly adjudicated probable cause is a worse threat to society's well being than the occasional unpunished criminal.

    Honestly, most folks in this country used to agree with that principle and I hope and believe most folks still do.

    Cheers.
    I undertand. You have a problem with the FBI and Geek Squad. You support those that had child pornography on their computers and were nailed. What a wonderful side to be on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I undertand. You have a problem with the FBI and Geek Squad. You support those that had child pornography on their computers and were nailed. What a wonderful side to be on.
    Why do you hate Amendment IV of the U.S. Constituion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I undertand. You have a problem with the FBI and Geek Squad. You support those that had child pornography on their computers and were nailed. What a wonderful side to be on.
    Actually, it appears rather clear that you don't fully understand the value of our Constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure. More's the pity...

    You know, the irony here is that most likely you'd soon enough find plenty of reasons to object to the strict, authoritarian society for which you consistently advocate if it actually came to pass.

    I wonder, has it occurred to you that your life might have been very different if we had what you seem to want: a legal system that insures that our first priority is always the identification and punishment of lawbreakers? You've admitted on this very board to having committed crimes, after all. Tampering with the U.S. mail... Destruction of mailboxes... Did you do any hard time for those crimes? Failing that, did you at least make restitution?

    When it comes to your own missteps, how harsh a mistress do you really want the law to be?

    Cheers.
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