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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Obamacare took $700 billion from Medicare. How many people did that kill?
    You made this claim in another thread yesterday and it was refuted. (which of course you never came back to address):

    CBO #'s out 14MILL less insured by next year under TRUMPCARE, 24 mil by 2026

    quote: He didn't steal $500 billion:

    "The bill doesn't take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, it attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years. Medicare spending will still increase, however... The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009.

    So while the health care law reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare, the law doesn't cut current funding for Medicare."


    Did President Barack Obama "steal" $500 billion from Medicare? | PolitiFact

    So I take it you are okay with the govt program Medicare, correct?

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    The number is actually 24 million in the longer decade review. It is easy. By removing Medicaid the working class moderate middle class and poor lose affordable coverage immediately. By removing the tax subsidy as written to a more ominous form that has no value to your payments everyone making $62,000 a year or less can't afford the cost many do not realize the ACA lowered their payments to. It reverts to the TRUE insurance over charge cost. Many never realized that the flaw in the ACA was what republicans and the blue dogs fought so hard to have, private insurance running the show. The only thing that stopped them was the ACA limiting the amount they could raise costs to under review. Those who are under 64 will be hit the hardest as now their payments are estimated to go up 750% due to being in a health risk age category. I assume those 50 and up need to start worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    We're ALL GOING TO DIE. those rascally republicans are going to kill us all!
    Not all. Just many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Bingo! Those who opted out of Social Security before it was outlawed are vastly better off than those in SS.
    This is not Ameritopia, this is the United STATES of America. I've about had it up to my eyeballs with this (conditioned) idea that everything must be corralled under the umbrella of central management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    There should not be "a healthcare system". If there must be a "system", there should be 50 of them. Why must central government intervene in matters that can be managed by the private sector or the several states? That extends to retirement (Social Security), as well.
    We can get theoretical and philosophical about abolishing all federal health programs and what the states or private sector would do if that happened, but this would cause anarchy-level chaos in the markets. There would be deprivation "tough shit" policies at a lot of facilities, which would require repealing health laws dating back to the Reagan era. The biggest barriers to the disorganization of 50 different health policies/programs and/or cash-only health care boils down to deprivation. It's all quite a long ways down the rabbit hole from the actual current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    This is not Ameritopia, this is the United STATES of America. I've about had it up to my eyeballs with this (conditioned) idea that everything must be corralled under the umbrella of central management.
    Simpletons love the asinine idea of cradle to grave swaddling by BigDaddy DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    This is not Ameritopia, this is the United STATES of America. I've about had it up to my eyeballs with this (conditioned) idea that everything must be corralled under the umbrella of central management.
    Reagan signed EMTALA. Bush signed Medicare D. Millions of conservative, Republican Medicare beneficiaries would protect the hell out of that federal health care entitlement program. Republicans far and wide have enabled if not encouraged health care to become more of an entitlement, not less. Shitloads of poor rural conservatives in the south who vote straight Republican tickets every election are on Medicaid, and would raise hell if anyone threatened that handout. And even this bill that this thread is about preserves critical elements of the ACA.

    I guess this is my way of saying yeah, we can protest against the reality of the world and declare that it would be so much better if we didn't (most of us) feel emotionally and psychologically entitled to health care, and saved our money and spent it on health care when we needed it, but that's like protesting against wind and water in the middle of the south Pacific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    You made this claim in another thread yesterday :
    I did? Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Simpletons love the asinine idea of cradle to grave swaddling by BigDaddy DC.
    U mad Bro?
    U sound mad...i know how frustrating it must be for the simpletons to sit and watch their glorious leaders have control of all branches of Government and still can't manage to get er done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    We can get theoretical and philosophical about abolishing all federal health programs and what the states or private sector would do if that happened, but this would cause anarchy-level chaos in the markets. There would be deprivation "tough shit" policies at a lot of facilities, which would require repealing health laws dating back to the Reagan era. The biggest barriers to the disorganization of 50 different health policies/programs and/or cash-only health care boils down to deprivation. It's all quite a long ways down the rabbit hole from the actual current situation.
    It's going to happen, regardless. We can keep pretending these centrally managed "Great Societies"....these castles made of sand.... can be tweaked and bandaged and taxed and regulated and monetized to one day deliver permanent Collectivist Utopia where no one wants for anything, but the truth of the matter is that it's all going to collapse in on itself at some point.

    Incrementally pulling back...incrementally attritioning people off of centralized dependency over a few decades...will make that inevitable collapse far less spectacular, far less tragic.

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