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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    This was nothing more than a preliminary hearing, nothing has been adjudged as being unconstitutional as yet. SMFH Just because a TRO was applied doesn't mean that the State of Hawaii or the plaintiff have won anything as of yet. Just like the Washington case, which still hasn't been tried, hasn't deemed the 1st EO as unconstitutional either.
    Yeah, the fact that the lawyers told Trump to scrap the 1st EO tells you how badly it was written. I haven't read the 2nd one but given it was actually put together by a team of actual real life experienced lawyers I expect it should eventually stand. If it doesn't stand then it would be a complete and utter embarrassment to Trump if only to show he can't hire anybody worth shit to do anything right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Well apparently Trump's words at tonights rally that this 2nd order is a water downed version of the 1st order can be used in court to support why it is unconstitutional. Told you, Trump is shooting himself in the foot with his mouth. LOL.
    Yep as seen on Twitter.

    Trump: "I think we ought to go back to the first [ban], and go all the way. That’s what I wanted to do in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Yeah, the fact that the lawyers told Trump to scrap the 1st EO tells you how badly it was written. I haven't read the 2nd one but given it was actually put together by a team of actual real life experienced lawyers I expect it should. If it doesn't then it would be a complete and utter embarrassment to Trump if only to show he can't hire anybody worth shit to do anything right.
    Yates was nothing more than an activist. There is/was nothing wrong with the 1st EO. The 1st EO hasn't even been tried yet, so far there has only been preliminary hearings granting the plaintiffs standing to file, in Boston the Judge ruled in favor of the Govt on the 1st EO. Trump tried to get around the Washington state BS and signed a second EO, now the same thing, preliminary hearing with a TRO issued due to plaintiffs being granted standing. Nothing has been tried to date, nothing has been ruled unconstitutional to date, 1st EO or 2nd EO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Yates was nothing more than an activist. There is/was nothing wrong with the 1st EO. The 1st EO hasn't even been tried yet, so far there has only been preliminary hearings granting the plaintiffs standing to file, in Boston the Judge ruled in favor of the Govt on the 1st EO. Trump tried to get around the Washington state BS and signed a second EO, now the same thing, preliminary hearing with a TRO issued due to plaintiffs being granted standing. Nothing has been tried to date, nothing has been ruled unconstitutional to date, 1st EO or 2nd EO.
    If there was nothing wrong with the 1st EO, then why did 3 separate courts strike it down? Why did MM bother then to write a 2nd EO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    If there was nothing wrong with the 1st EO, then why did 3 separate courts strike it down? Why did MM bother then to write a 2nd EO?
    Only one court issued a national TRO, 2 other courts issued selective TRO's that only effected their state for 7-10 days. Trump simply signed the 2nd one trying to get around the Washington TRO, he never wrote anything. Why did the Boston court rule in favor of the Govt on their TRO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Only one court issued a national TRO, 2 other courts issued selective TRO's that only effected their state. Trump simply signed the 2nd one trying to get around the Washington TRO, he never wrote anything. Why did the Boston court rule in favor of the Govt on their TRO?
    I don't know - ONE court so far as found in MM's favor - your track record on this subject has not been great so far, so guess we will see what happens.

    I'm just laughing that the judge used MM's own words against him. So much winning right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    Yates was nothing more than an activist. There is/was nothing wrong with the 1st EO. The 1st EO hasn't even been tried yet, so far there has only been preliminary hearings granting the plaintiffs standing to file, in Boston the Judge ruled in favor of the Govt on the 1st EO. Trump tried to get around the Washington state BS and signed a second EO, now the same thing, preliminary hearing with a TRO issued due to plaintiffs being granted standing. Nothing has been tried to date, nothing has been ruled unconstitutional to date, 1st EO or 2nd EO.
    A cursory reading of the Court of Appeals ruling, the denial of en banc to Trump, and now the Hawaii ruling shows the case is fully mature. There's nothing left to argue, the government has no defense. Everything that happens from here is a formality, Trump should throw in the towel and stop spending political capital on demagoguery he should've abandoned months ago. But that requires self control and introspection.
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    Oh man he's on a roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I don't know - ONE court so far as found in MM's favor - your track record on this subject has not been great so far, so guess we will see what happens.

    I'm just laughing that the judge used MM's own words against him. So much winning right?
    My track record? I don't have a track record on this, I have done nothing more than state reality and facts regarding the cases, I don't make predictions as to what will happen. I suggest you go back to the thread you are wanting to use and read it and what I stated, thoroughly.

    The judge can use whatever he wants to use in his court room. Nothing has been lost, yet, just as nothing has been tried either.
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