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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    While I do not know enough about the scam that is American Law....
    American law is a "scam"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    What if Alabama DEMANDS all Candidates have their Birth Certificates "confirmed" prior to being on their Ballot?
    I suppose that depends on what you mean by "confirmed." Certainly, one can be obtained from the state, which should be sufficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    What if Wyoming DEMANDS that every candidate is to be given a medical examination by a Medical Doctor hired by the state?
    An Independent Medical Examination (IME). Hm....

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    What if Arkansas DEMANDS to know if every candidate has had an abortion, or, paid for one?
    This would be a matter of privacy.

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    What if Tennessee DEMANDS a Drug Test?
    This could be a valid request.

    Note, too, that tax returns can indicate financial conflicts of interest that the public might need to know about. Additionally, it would also be possible for such a law to permit certain kinds of things to be redacted, for certain things that might present a privacy issue.
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    We will have to wait and see how the courts deal with the new NJ law. It is clearly directed to address Donald Trump if he should run in 2020.

    But it would be an explosive opportunity for all the other states to come up with selective criteria to keep other candidates off the ballot if they don't pony up specific information about themselves.

    A very bad precedent for the future. Scary potential moving forward...
    It would be funny if a state like Texas required Presidential candidates to own a certain number of firearms and be a member of the NRA.

    Libnut heads would explode!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Explain that to New Jersey and all of the other states that are now engaged in passing or have passed that very same bill.
    I think they will need to explain why they are not violating the three constitutional qualifications to a court when challenged.

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Why didn't some of the candidates get their name on all state ballots last year then? Seems like other things DO dictate more than minimum qualifications of the Constitution.
    That would be a shortcoming of a candidate’s lack of completing procedures and processes to be added to a ballot such as missing deadlines.

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    There may be a few district courts or the right mix of panels that may not find the New Jersey law unconstitutional, but I doubt that any appellate en banc court would allow New Jersey or any other state to create qualifications for a presidential candidate to be added to a ballot. Nor is it plausible for a court to allow states to create a patchwork of random qualifications to be put on a ballot. There is no doubt that this is directed at Trump. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled against adding qualifications to federal elections.

    States administer federal elections, which is a process. There are three constitutional qualifications to be President and they are all personal in nature: thirty-five years of age, natural born citizen, and residing in the US for at least fourteen years before the election. Asking for income tax returns is a qualification and is personal in nature and is not process to ensure that the election process proceeds in a timely and uniform manner.

    The states will also run into a statutory roadblock as well regarding 26 U.S. Code § 6103 - Confidentiality and disclosure of returns and return information.

    The law would also violate the most basic core principal of the Fourth Amendment’s right to privacy and dismiss the foundational events that were the basis for the privacy clause.
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    American law is a "scam"?
    --It works quite well for Attorney's and Judges. And, IF you are at least two of the following: Rich. Powerfully Connected. Guilty. If you are poor, have no connections, and are completely innocent, the LAST place you should look for "Justice" is in an American Court of Law.

    As for Tax Returns, I think that EVERY ELECTED Public Servant, whose salary is paid by the taxpayer, should not only release their Tax Returns EVERY YEAR, but they should also be subject to Random Drug Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --It works quite well for Attorney's and Judges. And, IF you are at least two of the following: Rich. Powerfully Connected. Guilty. If you are poor, have no connections, and are completely innocent, the LAST place you should look for "Justice" is in an American Court of Law.
    Much of that makes no sense.
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