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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Quit trolling with your same old personal attacks. You do not understand Jewish law.

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    I understand it better than you. You will not even read any case law, which tells you what the Free Exercise clause means.


    No, I am not. You apparently do not even understand the topic.
    I understand just fine you put the democrats above what your God says

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No. The school is not entitled to public money under any circumstance.
    Then why are they getting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I understand just fine you put the democrats above what your G-d says.
    No, I do not. You do not understand Jewish law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why are they getting it?
    The public can choose to give money to private schools. That does not make them entitled to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No. Private schools are not entitled to public money under any circumstance.


    Your religion supports forcing it upon other people using the government, which government is supposed to be secular under the Establishment clause.
    My religion has nothing to do with the government. The government cannot make laws that force me to go against my religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    1. What is the basic premise of SB 1146?
    SB 1146 prohibits private/religious colleges and universities in California from “discriminating” against LGBT students, faculty, or staff members, even if LGBT lifestyles run contrary to that institution’s religious beliefs.

    The law basically is calling religious beliefs discrimination, when its not. Those religious teachings have been around for over 2000 years.
    Goes against the first amendment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No, I do not. You do not understand Jewish law.
    Yes I do. Read Leviticus. Homosexuality is punishable by death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The public can choose to give money to private schools. That does not make them entitled to it.
    Make up your mind. If they are not entitled to it why is the government giving away Taxpayer money. As alway you spin and make no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    1. What is the basic premise of SB 1146?
    SB 1146 prohibits private/religious colleges and universities in California from “discriminating” against LGBT students, faculty, or staff members, even if LGBT lifestyles run contrary to that institution’s religious beliefs.
    Students, faculty, or staff who think they have been the object of discrimination based on their sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression can sue the institution for discrimination. Because the Bible identifies homosexuality as a sin, it is not difficult to see how Bible-teaching colleges and universities will be accused of discrimination under the new law.

    First, SB 1146 will require religious colleges and universities to adopt policies of non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in order for students to receive state-funded scholarships under the Cal Grant program. Secondly, SB 1146 will require these institutions to give notice if they have requested an exemption to Title IX. Thirdly, SB 1146 will permit lawsuits against institutions that are perceived to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation regardless of whether they accept the Cal-Grant scholarships.


    2. What is the stated rationale behind the bill?
    Supporters of the bill contend that this is a civil rights issue. The argument is basically as follows: in the same way that race-based discrimination should have no place in institutions of higher learning, so also discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression should not be tolerated. Institutions in which such discrimination is reportedly found will be subject to punitive litigation.
    Supporters of the bill are primarily targeting schools in which students receive federal and state financial aid (such as the Cal-Grant). They argue that such money should not be used to provide assistance to institutions that do not fully comply with anti-discrimination laws (specifically as those laws currently relate to those who identify as LGBT).
    By contrast, opponents of SB 1146 contend that this legislation violates the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment—namely, the free exercise of religion—by requiring religious institutions to violate their moral principles in the name of tolerance. As Eric Metaxas points out, the California state government is using anti-discrimination laws as “a license to discriminate” against religious institutions.
    https://www.tms.edu/preachersandprea...berty-sb-1146/

    California is making government a tool for limiting religious freedoms within their Colleges by the threat of withholding financial aid. I have been saying for a long time that government initiated a law a couple years ago that prevents free exercise, SB1146 is even more evidence that a government run by Progressives is hostile to religious freedoms. The question is this. Is religious beliefs discriminatory when they simply study the Bible in their college class rooms. Sounds like California thinks so.
    This guy puts it better than most do.

    "American Christians are not under attack. We are not being persecuted. We wield so much power in this country that politicians pretend to be Christian just so we will vote for them. No one is trying to take your bible away from you. The gay people are not destroying our families — we don’t need any help from them, thank you. We do a fine job of that by ourselves. So stop saying we are persecuted. You sound stupid."
    Read This Before You Say Anything Else About 'Taking Back America' | The Huffington Post

    Destroying families - https://www.openbible.info/topics/adultery

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/greed

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/gluttony

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/vanity

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/narcissism

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/refugees

    Yet, you are here, again, obsessing about homosexuality/transexuals.......and NOT mentioning any or all of the above...many of which apply to characteristics of the current President and his policies.

    Why is that?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homose..._New_Testament


    Who's destroying what?

    "Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in general sense, dissimulation, pretense, sham."
    https://www.google.com/search?q=hypo...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    When are the religious organizations going to ban adulterers from their campuses, much less condemn ALL "sinners" in the same way they condemn LGBT folks? By their own "beliefs" that sinners should be barred or banned from something because they are sinners. Why are they NOT condemning those who elected a vain/narcissistic, greedy, gluttonous, adulterer to the White House or much less bar/ban such a person from entering their properties?

    Is there some special exemption for adulters (THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS) in the Church of Latter Day Hypocrites? How about for the vain, for the greedy, for the gluttonous, for those that do not feed and care for refugees and the needy?

    Talk about putting self and politics above one's God. Do you all really think no one sees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    My religion has nothing to do with the government.
    And yet you would support laws that would endorse your religion (and no other).

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The government cannot make laws that force me to go against my religion.
    And the proposed law here does not do that.

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