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Thread: Joe Biden regrets not running, "I could have won"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    It was during the 8 years following his primary loss to Clinton that he did distinguish himself.

    He whipped Ryan like a schoolboy during the VP debate in 2012, he burnished his foreign policy bona fides, was Obama's trusted confidant, and never lost his blue collar appeal.

    Clinton's advantage over him in 2008 included being former first lady to the still-popular Bill Clinton. When Biden became VP he surpassed that advantage.

    If Biden were in the race, the blue collar people desperate for a voice wouldn't have had to fall back to Trump when Sanders was eliminated. Democrats SHOULD have won. With practically anyone but the despised Hillary they would have won. With Biden's all-around experience, including how he would have campaigned in Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania, he would have easily won.


    Trump won because Democrats picked someone who was afraid to campaign in Wisconsin.
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    Poor whites need more than just a white male candidate on the Democratic party ticket to feel like their issues are being considered.

    And who GAF whether Biden defeated Ryan in a debate almost a decade ago? What RL value did that have for anyone apart from Biden himself?

    Yes, Biden might have defeated Trump (although I think the evidence that Bernie would have is much stronger), but although saving us from the misery of a Trump presidency has value, it's not the same as passing universal health care.
    Where did I mention race? Or list his gender as a qualification? -- though that might have been worth a point or two.

    I gave a list of Biden's qualifications and points of appeal. Not one mentioned race. His consummate skill at debates was only one of the qualifications to which I referred, but obviously it was an important one.

    The most important one for the topic at hand was his blue collar roots and how he would have gotten out and used those when he campaigned on the ground in my critical state. Trump peeled off blue collar voters who couldn't relate to Hillary. With Biden in the race, the blue collar voters wouldn't have needed to go looking for someone to relate to. Biden has always had that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Where did I mention race? Or list his gender as a qualification? -- though that might have been worth a point or two.

    I gave a list of Biden's qualifications and points of appeal. Not one mentioned race. His consummate skill at debates was only one of the qualifications to which I referred, but obviously it was an important one.

    The most important one for the topic at hand was his blue collar roots and how he would have gotten out and used those when he campaigned on the ground in my critical state. Trump peeled off blue collar voters who couldn't relate to Hillary. With Biden in the race, the blue collar voters wouldn't have needed to go looking for someone to relate to. Biden has always had that.
    There are stats out today about last weeks Virginia gubernatorial race. They indicate Gillespie received 75% of the blue collar vote while Northram got over 80% of the white collar vote. I dont think that was expected. So is it possible it isnt just Trump is more attractive to the blue collar workforce? Gillespie was most certainly an establishment traditional republican yet blue collar voters claim "he spoke to them." Is this the new normal?

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    New poll has Biden defeating Trump.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...44900?lo=ap_b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    New poll has Biden defeating Trump.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...44900?lo=ap_b1
    Not a real meaningful poll. (although certainly fun for many.)

    At the moment they could put pretty much ANY name in there and come up with a "victory" over Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    New poll has Biden defeating Trump.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...44900?lo=ap_b1
    Polls are useless.

    I also believe that running past VPs is a bad idea. It's a sad attempt to carry out an old legacy. We haven't had a great President in a long time. I personally believe new faces are needed.

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