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    Bernie is actually doing the fellow a favor. Georgia was one of those places that Bernie is seen as too liberal. The fact that he thinks this Democrat is not PROGRESSIVE is perfect. Probably the guy will win the support of the Republicans that want to send Trump a message but not throw the baby out with the bath water and vote in a PROGRESSIVE. Georgia Republicans think PROGRESSIVE is a dirty word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Well, I just wish he would not do things to hurt Democrats. As Baj points out, some places will go for a moderate Dem but not an uber progressive one - whether he or I like it or not. And a moderate Dem is better than a Republican.
    especially in cases where he's criticizing a Dem with policy positions he should agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Bernie is actually doing the fellow a favor. Georgia was one of those places that Bernie is seen as too liberal. The fact that he thinks this Democrat is not PROGRESSIVE is perfect. Probably the guy will win the support of the Republicans that want to send Trump a message but not throw the baby out with the bath water and vote in a PROGRESSIVE. Georgia Republicans think PROGRESSIVE is a dirty word.
    California is a place that thinks Bernie is too liberal. In Georgia they must think he's a communist or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Bernie is actually doing the fellow a favor. Georgia was one of those places that Bernie is seen as too liberal. The fact that he thinks this Democrat is not PROGRESSIVE is perfect. Probably the guy will win the support of the Republicans that want to send Trump a message but not throw the baby out with the bath water and vote in a PROGRESSIVE. Georgia Republicans think PROGRESSIVE is a dirty word.
    Exactly what I was about to say. Imagine if he had said "Ossoff is a fellow traveller democratic socialist, and I completely endorse him." Isn't the goal to attract independent minded republican leaning voters?

    Also, I think Sanders is in a bit of a tight spot. If he just hangs up his hat and goes away, a lot of the 40% of people who voted for him in the primaries will go away too. They'll just feel (not unreasonably) that the party finally got rid of him. A lot of his supporters will remain continue to vote for democrats, but many just won't show up to vote anymore. Considering how close so many elections are, I don't think the democrats can afford to get rid of Sanders. They might want to but it would be a pretty awful mistake, in my opinion—so very likely it is something they are working hard to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The problem Bernie has is that he demands purity. Which is impossible in politics. So when he says stuff like this or comes out and supports a dem that the party doesn't, he doesn't realize that those "purists" look at it as a "my way or the highway" thing. So if the guy or gal Bernie endorses doesn't win the primary, they will sit home. We saw that in 2016. I honestly don't think Bernie sees this or understands it as he will always win in Vermont as he gets over 80% of the vote. So he can say whatever he desires and in the end, he goes home to a safe seat with no worries. He doesn't see the struggle other politicians might be having. Like claiming Joe Manchin needs to go in WVA. No progressive can win there. So its not wise to primary Manchin.

    But now that Tom Perez has adopted Bernie and he is the most popular politician, they cant just cast him aside now. Its risky. I also read about how those who support Bernie don't believe the Russian interference thing either. Very bad optics there and divisive.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...blaming-russia
    Bernie's the most popular politician in US. Favorability at 58% among Women.
    Yeah, most of Bernie's supporters also demand purity in candidates. My sister is a perfect example. She thinks practical Democrats like myself are the problem and the reason the country hasn't become the socialist utopia Sanders espouses.
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    He needs to shut up. He knows the election is in June so what the heck is he doing? This is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Exactly what I was about to say. Imagine if he had said "Ossoff is a fellow traveller democratic socialist, and I completely endorse him." Isn't the goal to attract independent minded republican leaning voters?

    Also, I think Sanders is in a bit of a tight spot. If he just hangs up his hat and goes away, a lot of the 40% of people who voted for him in the primaries will go away too. They'll just feel (not unreasonably) that the party finally got rid of him. A lot of them will remain as democrats, but considering how close so many elections are, I don't think the democrats can afford to get rid of Sanders. They might want to but it would be a pretty awful mistake, in my opinion—so very likely it is something they are working hard to do.
    That's a big part of it. Many of his supporters feel he got shafted in the primaries and if the DNC ignores him now, they will be angry. So they are in a tough position. Which is why Perez is letting Sanders pretty much do what he wants. They don't want to give that impression they are "rigging" the party. It wouldn't surprise me that Perez and Ellison made this deal to keep Sanders out there for the party. I just checked his "Revolution" website and he has over 30 rallies planned for the rest of this year including a summer tour, an MSNBC town hall monthly meeting and a campus tour next fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Bernie is actually doing the fellow a favor. Georgia was one of those places that Bernie is seen as too liberal. The fact that he thinks this Democrat is not PROGRESSIVE is perfect. Probably the guy will win the support of the Republicans that want to send Trump a message but not throw the baby out with the bath water and vote in a PROGRESSIVE. Georgia Republicans think PROGRESSIVE is a dirty word.
    And Georgia Democrats are not crazy about it either..how many votes did Bernie get in the Georgia primary again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Yeah, most of Bernie's supporters also demand purity in candidates. My sister is a perfect example. She thinks practical Democrats like myself are the problem and the reason the country hasn't become the socialist utopia Sanders espouses.
    My kids and their friends are the same. What Bernie says is gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    A Georgia Democrat, best case, is a moderate.
    And that is another element of all this. A progressive in Georgia has no chance. Bernie is speaking out of turn for his ego.

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