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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Who in 1960 could have even possibly conceived of a half black President.

    People adjust if everyone just chills the fuck out and lets them.
    Actually, I read that many thought MLK could have ran and won an election, if he didn't get assassinated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    An interesting issue, and something I think is a slippery slope because all culture has been appropriated from the beginning of time to where you can't pinpoint it's origins with any certainty.







    White Painter Loses Art Show Over Cultural Appropriation Debate

    My problems with this thinking are mostly that to begin with, there's no way to tell what someone is or isn't influenced by, and I also think that unless you force everyone to get DNA tests to prove they're a member of a "culture" you can't say who can and can't adopt a style of painting or music or whatever.



    Not to mention, cultures themselves have borrowed from other cultures:



    Any thoughts?
    Unless computers and the internet were invented by indigenous people of Canada, then how are these Indigenous activists going to go on the internet to complain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    thoughts?


    yeah.... the professionally offended will always find something to be offended and outraged over. I find it amusing they want multiculturalism and "melting pots" but when it comes right down to it... they really dont.
    I agree with you, especially as to privileged young people. It's as if, having "missed the fun" of the 1960's, 1970's culture wars, they feel a need to imitate suffering and the attendant "joy" of righteous indignation.

    What's sad is, the world has not run out of actual injustices to protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    First nation artists around the world are trying to control the usage of their techniques and subject matter.

    "Any art that's made in the shadow of colonialism is going to be sensitive," says co-curator Fiona Salmon. "There are always questions people want to ask about who is benefiting from that connection with an Aboriginal person or Aboriginal place."

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    I am enormously sympathic to claims of ownership over historic sites, relics, etc. I am utterly unmoved as to claims some living artists should be censored to prevent them benefiting from art deemed to use "too much outsider" inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am enormously sympathic to claims of ownership over historic sites, relics, etc. I am utterly unmoved as to claims some living artists should be censored to prevent them benefiting from art deemed to use "too much outsider" inspiration.
    Although to be fair, these criticisms come from a pretty small sliver of the art criticism world (in many ways they're the snob's "What's Hot and What's Not" of People Magazine, who use the phrase "highly problematic" a lot). It's mostly young people still in school or recently graduated trying to one up each other in showing their commitment to justice. If blackface is bad, then it can't be any different than dressing as a Native American, which is really the same thing as imitating the voice of someone from China, which is just like white guys with their hair in dreadlocks, which is no different than Tom Delay doing the Tango (which I have to agree, is an abomination):



    The thing is though, for the most part it isn't quite censorship, although it's close. It's people trying to drown out one person's freedom of expression with their own freedom of expression. And also, most people in the art world simply ignore or mock them. Just like in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Although to be fair, these criticisms come from a pretty small sliver of the art criticism world (in many ways they're the snob's "What's Hot and What's Not" of People Magazine, who use the phrase "highly problematic" a lot). It's mostly young people still in school or recently graduated trying to one up each other in showing their commitment to justice. If blackface is bad, then it can't be any different than dressing as a Native American, which is really the same thing as imitating the voice of someone from China, which is just like white guys with their hair in dreadlocks, which is no different than Tom Delay doing the Tango (which I have to agree, is an abomination):



    The thing is though, for the most part it isn't quite censorship, although it's close. It's people trying to drown out one person's freedom of expression with their own freedom of expression. And also, most people in the art world simply ignore or mock them. Just like in this thread.
    It is the duty of teens and young adults to annoy their elders with bitter criticism of how morally bankrupt they are.

    So, I get why this "appropriation" bullshit is appealing. It's just so fucking obviously stupid.

    Lé sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Actually, I read that many thought MLK could have ran and won an election, if he didn't get assassinated...
    No freakin' way. From the perspective of mainstream politics, MLK was a way-left lefty. No way does he get either party's nomination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    No freakin' way. From the perspective of mainstream politics, MLK was a way-left lefty. No way does he get either party's nomination.
    Clearly, we do a shit job of teaching history to our students.

    No way would MLK have survived another year. No fucking way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Unless computers and the internet were invented by indigenous people of Canada, then how are these Indigenous activists going to go on the internet to complain?
    How do you get from a group making legitimate complaints to inventing the internet? (The WWW was a British invention.) [Sir Tim Berners-Lee, you're welcome.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    How do you get from a group making legitimate complaints to inventing the internet? (The WWW was a British invention.) [Sir Tim Berners-Lee, you're welcome.]
    Whut? British people invented the internet?

    I call bullshit, sir. Udder bullshit.

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