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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Ian fibbed about the scouts taking government funding.
    See post #189.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I will repeat. The FFRF did
    The FFRF has done nothing wrong. It has, rather, identified when others have done something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    ... Thomas Paine said Christianity is a historical fraud.
    Should it not be an historical fraud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Why should I believe you when you tell me I haven't gone to college. You have to lie to make your point.
    If you bring a man into your house to set up your electricity, he will tell you he is a certified electrician. But if he does not know how to turn a light switch on and shocks himself by sticking a fork in an electrical outlet, that is damn good evidence that he is not a certified electrician.

    The same goes for you. You have no critical intelligence at all, have a low vocabulary, and you can't write the most basic English sentences. How could anyone as illiterate and illogical as you possibly have a college education?

    You also say you have a degree in Horticulture, yet you don't understand anything about the Theory of Evolution, which you need to in order to understand Horticulture. Plants are descended with modification and grow by Natural Selection just like all organisms do. The fortuitous ones survive, and the weak ones don't.

    Not only is it obvious you don't have a college education, there is also strong reason to believe you are not even an adult. What adult in the real world has the time to post the asinine, supercilious, perfidious drivel that you do on PH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    It is true.
    No, it is not. Xianity and Judaism are not at all the same, and it is intellectually dishonest to say they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Christians believe in the same G-d Jews do.
    No, you do not. There is no "father/son/holy ghost" parts to G-d in Judaism. It is intellectually dishonest for you to keep saying otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    G-d doesn't just belong to the Jews as you imply.
    I have neither said nor implied this, and that will never change no matter how much you repeat this argumentum ad nauseum. You have been lying about this for months, maybe years, now, and it is no more true now than previously.

    That makes three sentences and three lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Scouts wasn't formed just to Honor God, but was just part of their program.
    well, not according to their own website, but I'm okay with you believing that. In fact, not only was that not part of their thing, but, as most scouts will tell you, not only was Christianity not a major part of the scouting experience, but much of it came from Native American culture.

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    Most programs did that before there was so much hate for anything religious in the last dozen years or so. Our motto reflects that, yet you try to deflect on that.
    Our motto reflects no such thing, and the fact that you think this only demonstrates your abysmal lack of historical context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Ian fibbed about the scouts taking government funding. Why don't you focus on that . If he was right you could sue the scouts for saying the word "God" and claim the government is endorsing a religion. You could end scouts for good just like your friends did to the Bremerton coach. Now get out there and do your job
    This is another example of the type of deception I wrote of earlier: You screwed something up and are playing mind games in order to distance yourself from guilt.

    The FFRF didn't end anything for Joe Kennedy. They simply told the school he was violating the Establishment Clause after he participated in religious activities with students, while on the job, and out there in front of everybody. The FFRF didn't ask the school to fire him. They just wanted Kennedy to stop because he was violating the court precedent set in Engel vs. Vital. The school decided to fire him all on their own.

    I don't give a rodent's hairy rectum about the Boy Scouts' budget. It isn't germane to what I'm talking about.

    You think the FFRF is somehow immoral just because they oppose theocracy and idiotic dogma, and they canvass for free thought. Yet you lied through your 12-year-old teeth back there when you said the FFRF was forcing atheism on Boy Scouts. In reality, they were simply offering non-religious badges to them and other people who are not Boy Scout members. They have the 1st Amendment right to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    You can keep trying to make your point all you like. Atheisim is not a religion. Neils Neilson wrote a comprehensive study of religions, and their common characteristics:

    1. Most religions include belief in the supernatural (spirits, gods, God) or belief in some other Ultimate Reality beyond, yet connected to, human experience and existence.
      A. Hindus acknowledge 330 million gods and one Ultimate Reality, the Brahman, which is beyond all names and forms.
      B. Christians consider themselves Monotheists, but Muslims reject the doctrine of the Trinity as a dangerous possible form of Polytheism.
    2. Religions distinguish between the sacred and profane (or ordinary) in terms of time, space, objects, and people.
      A. Mecca is different from Milwaukee for Muslims.
      B. Christmas and Easter are the most sacred days in the Christian calendar.
    3. Religions strongly encourage or require prescribed ritual activities for individuals and communities of faith.
      A. Rituals connected to birth and death frame the lifecycle in all religions.
      B. Most religions celebrate and reenact sacred stories through annual rituals.
    4. Religions commonly promote a moral code or ethical principles to guide individuals and communities.
      A. The Ten Commandments anchor legal and moral requirements in the biblical tradition, while shari'ah ("Islamic law") should ideally govern Muslims in an Islamic state.
      B. Following the path of the Buddha includes vows of poverty and chastity, as well as dietary restrictions, for monks.
    5. Religious life engages and incorporates common emotional and intuitive human feelings.
      A. These feelings include a sense of the wonder and mystery of existence, joy, guilt, and the bond experienced in the community.
      B. Religious worship often appeals to feelings of guilt and remorse, as well as joy and thanksgiving.
    6. Religions both encourage communication and provide ways to communicate or connect with the divine.
      A. Individual and corporate prayers are visible among Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
      B. Hindus and Buddhists refine meditative techniques in order to discover the truth that is accessible within.
    7. Through sacred stories, the religions provide a coherent worldview.
      A. The meaning of creation has to somehow fit into a logical pattern that explains how we get from where we are to where we hope to be.
      B. Stories about the lives and teachings of the great religious leaders underscore the nature of the human predicament and offer guidance on how to realize the fullness of a hopeful future.
    8. Religions organize life for individuals--including dress codes, personal sacrifices, and appropriate occupations--in the context of their respective worldviews.
      A. A Buddhist monk wears a saffron robe and has a shaved head.
      B. A Muslim woman wears the hijab, a traditional, loose-fitting covering that may include a veil.
    9. Religions require and promote social organization and institutional forms to carry out the necessary functions of worship and leadership, preserving orthodox teachings and practices.
      A. Protestant Christians don't have a pope, and Sunni Muslims don't have ayatollahs
      B. All communities, however, have religious functionaries and institutional structures.
    10. Religions promise an inner peace and harmony despite the vicissitudes of life.
      A. Discovering meaning that transcends physical existence enables people of faith to overcome the challenges posed by disease, evil, and injustice that permeate life and society.
      B. The religions that have stood the test of time have offered hope and meaning that move beyond mere physical survival.
    11. Suffering and Compassion: Suffering and compassion are common themes in most religions.
    12. Religions typically offer a future hope through the coming of a new age or a better existence in the afterlife.
      A. Most religions anticipate the coming of a gifted person (for example, the Jewish messiah, the Second Coming of Jesus, one final incarnation of the Hindu deity Vishnu, or one last manifestation of the Buddha) who will help usher in a new age of peace and tranquility.
      B. The future hope may be realized in a new heaven or new Earth or a blissful existence beyond this physical life.
    13. Religions must propagate themselves through the recruitment of new members and procreation within the community of faith.
      A. Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam are the primary "missionary" religions in the world.
      B. Most religions require marriage and procreation within the community as the primary


    Now, why don't you give us examples of which of those characteristics atheism exhibits, with references? Otherwise your continued insistence that atheism is a religion is nothing more than your own ignorant, uninformed opinion.

    You'll notice that list included examples. So just saying atheism exhibits any of those characteristics doesn't cut it. You'll need to provide examples of how atheism exhibits any of those characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Now read the part about "religion-free services." Do you know what that means? You haven't proven you know the difference between the words, offer and force. So I can't say I expect much from you.

    Next you're going to tell me atheism opposes religion. But it is also a religion. This is more proof that you are verbally retarded
    I just proved they have church services. Can't you accept that fact instead of calling me names

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