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  • Trump may be cleared but still impeached.

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  • Trump will be cleared and not impeached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    And assuming that would happen that would be the beginning of the end of America as we know it to be with our long-standing freedoms! A sad day for all Americans if that were to happen under Pence. However, it would be tough for him to get past the Democrats especially should they take a majority in 2018 and especially in 2020! All the more reason for people to VOTE DEMOCRATIC in those two years if they truly want to keep their long-standing freedoms and not be greatly encumbered by right-wing BS.
    The Democrats might take the majority in 2018 in the House but they aren't going to take it in the Senate in 2018. It's just not going to happen no matter what the Republicans do. How long will the judges and justices that President Trump/President Pence appoints serve?

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    The Democrats might take the majority in 2018 in the House but they aren't going to take it in the Senate in 2018. It's just not going to happen no matter what the Republicans do. How long will the judges and justices that President Trump/President Pence appoints serve?
    Your votes aren't being counted right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEngelbrecht View Post
    Your votes aren't being counted right now.
    We directly vote for our House member and Senator, so yes, my vote is counted. Of course, in my district there isn't a Democrat usually.

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    He asked him to drop it because it wasn't going anywhere and it's time for us to move on.

    When he didn't he was fired for incompetence based also on his poor handling of the Hillary Clinton scandal.

    What the hell is suspicious about any of that?
    Nothing.......nothing at all. Good catch, everything here on the up and up. Move along, folks....

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    Judicial Watch obtained the materials on January 15 and on April 16, 2013, pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed on July 18, 2012 (Judicial Watch v. Federal Bureau of Investigation and U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:12-cv-01183)). The original FOIA request was made on March 7, 2012. It sought access to records detailing a February 8, 2012, meeting between FBI Director Robert Mueller and various Islamic organizations. The FOIA request also asked for “any and all records setting criteria or guidelines for FBI curricula on Islam or records identifying potentially offensive material within the FBI curricula on Islam,” as well as any directives to withdraw FBI presentations and curricula on Islam.

    During the February 8 meeting, Mueller reportedly assured the Islamic groups in attendance that the agency had ordered the removal of presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices around the country that were deemed “offensive.” As reported by NPR: “The FBI has completed a review of offensive training material and has purged 876 pages and 392 presentations, according to a briefing provided to lawmakers.”

    Documents obtained by the Judicial Watch FOIA request revealed that among the reasons given by the FBI’s SME for purging “offensive” training documents were:



    Documents Obtained by Judicial Watch Reveal FBI Training Curricula Purged of Material Deemed “Offensive” to Muslims


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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    will the independent counsel clear trump?

    That would be the foregone conclusion of his supporters. As well as others who claim not to support him but can't wait to defend him if a liberal criticizes him. However, something caught my eye about the DOJ order appointing special counsel.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...for-trump.html

    Not to read too much into Rosenstien's order. But, it doesn't get any more "in your face" for Trump than that. Especially considering that just as recent as 5 days ago Rosentsien was saying that he didn't see the need for independent counsel. What changed between now and then?

    To restate in "Watchman" speak:

    What happened in the span of 5 short days that made Rosenstien go from "meh..not ready...let's hold off on relying on sources Trump can control... and fire at will... to investigate this matter" to....."know what? I'm going to appoint the homeboy of the guy Trump fired to give or president the political equivalent of the most invasive medical procedure imaginable"? For those of us named "Trump" that means that the Comey memo , that potentially incriminates you in obstruction of justice charges, is about to be reviewed by non other than America's own version of "Sherlock Holmes" ( and i don't mean Robert Downey Jr...although 'Iron Man' references may soon be appropriate as well' ).

    Ya know, that just kinda caught my interest.

    Otherwise, the rule of law has been restored. Trump can quite possibly assert his tyrannical rule and try to fire Mueller. But if he tried that his impeachment would be all but assured.

    It may be anyway.
    It's a fear among the democratic leadership.

    https://www.the-american-interest.co...es-no-scandal/

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    What a guy:


    As FBI director, Mueller bent over backwards to please radical Islamic groups and caved into their demands. The agency eliminated the valuable anti-terrorism training material and curricula after Mueller met with various Islamic organizations, including those with documented ties too terrorism. Among them were two organizations— Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)—named by the U.S. government as unindicted co-conspirators in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing case. CAIR is a terrorist front group with extensive links to foreign and domestic Islamists. It was founded in 1994 by three Middle Eastern extremists (Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad and Rafeeq Jaber) who ran the American propaganda wing of Hamas, known then as the Islamic Association for Palestine.

    The records obtained as part of Judicial Watch’s lawsuit show that Mueller, who served 12 years as FBI chief, met with the Islamic organizations on February 8, 2012 to hear their demands. Shortly later the director assured the Muslim groups that he had ordered the removal of presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices nationwide. The purge was part of a broader Islamist operation designed to influence the opinions and actions of persons, institutions, governments and the public at-large. The records obtained by Judicial Watch also show similar incidents of Islamic influence operations at the Departments of Justice and State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Obama White House.Russia Special Counsel Mueller Worked with Radical Islamic Groups to Purge Anti-Terrorism Training Material Offensive to Muslims - Judicial Watch

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    Special Counsel for Trump - but Not for Obama Scandals? - Breitbart Special Counsel for Trump — but Not for Obama Scandals?

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    In its May 22, 2013, article on some of the Judicial Watch revelations, The Washington Examiner reported, “While the Muslim Brotherhood is not on the U.S. State Department’s official list of international terrorist organizations, some of its offshoots, including the Palestinian group Hamas, are.” Ironically, FBI Director Mueller, who ordered the purge of “offensive” material – including the exoneration of the Muslim Brotherhood – has described the organization as a group that supports terrorism in the US and overseas.

    “The FBI is rewriting history in order to help al Qaeda. This shows that the law enforcement agency is in need of serious top-to-bottom reform. As we recently learned from the Boston Marathon terrorist attack, the country is less safe when we allow radical Muslim organizations to tell the FBI how to train its agents and do its job,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “The FBI’s purge of so called ‘offensive’ material is political correctness run amok, and it puts the nation at risk. The Obama administration needs to stop putting the tender sensibilities of radical Islamists above the safety of the American people.”

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    Mueller is supposed to be such a hero. He caved on behalf of Islam.

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