View Poll Results: will the the independent counsel clear trump?

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  • yes. Trump will be cleared.

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  • Trump will be cleared and not impeached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    How did Trump cause any aspect of the Russian meddling?
    You're asking questions way before the investigation has even started. If you want proof...then wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Where does the article say the Donald John Trump is not part of Mueller's investigation?
    Where does it say he is?

    Even Comey said he was never investigating Trump. They are now investigating Flynn and Manafort but nobody else, its an inquiry, not an investigation which is why none of the documents even list any crimes.

    It's a counter intelligence inquiry which some people around Trump got thrown into.

    You might get Flynn on lying or Manafort for what happened there but that's it.

    You certainly won't get Russia on anything nor can you pin anything on Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Cleared of what, obstructing an investigation into ongoing Russian interference in western Democracies for the past 100 years?

    What's the crime anyway?

    How does this move from a legitimate foreign policy matter that was the legitimate responsibility of Obama to a crime of totally unknown properties?

    What's the crime?
    Well, like it or not our legal and intelligence agencies think there is something to investigate. There is the possibility that Russia broke international law and the only way to determine that is an investigation. And the fact that members of Trump's campaign met with Russian officials 18 times while Russia was hacking the DNC and various state's voter rolls is something to investigate.

    As to what Obama did, he ordered an investigation. What did you want him to do? You've never answered that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You're asking questions way before the investigation has even started. If you want proof...then wait.
    Yes we will keep waiting.

    You guys sure say that a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Well, like it or not our legal and intelligence agencies think there is something to investigate. There is the possibility that Russia broke international law and the only way to determine that is an investigation. And the fact that members of Trump's campaign met with Russian officials 18 times while Russia was hacking the DNC and various state's voter rolls is something to investigate.

    As to what Obama did, he ordered an investigation. What did you want him to do? You've never answered that question.
    Nations break international law all the time.

    Including us.

    What do you hope to gain out of this?

    Proof that Russia spies on us like we do them?

    Jesus, go read a Ludlum novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    No, not yet at any rate.
    Sure he is. The Special Prosecutor was convened based on Comey's claims of Trump. A Special Prosecutor is convened when the subject needs an impartial investigator.

    We had Special Prosecutors in Watergate and White Water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yes we will keep waiting.

    You guys sure say that a lot.
    Im still waiting for you to show where Mueller is not going to investigate Donald John Trump.
    Last edited by DebateDrone; 18th May 2017 at 05:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Where does it say he is?

    Even Comey said he was never investigating Trump. They are now investigating Flynn and Manafort but nobody else, its an inquiry, not an investigation which is why none of the documents even list any crimes.

    It's a counter intelligence inquiry which some people around Trump got thrown into.

    You might get Flynn on lying or Manafort for what happened there but that's it.

    You certainly won't get Russia on anything nor can you pin anything on Trump.
    That is not true. Comey never said he was not investigating Trump. Trump said Comey told him that Comey was not. Trump is a liar.

    Show where Comey said he was not investigating Donald John Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Where does it say he is?

    Even Comey said he was never investigating Trump. They are now investigating Flynn and Manafort but nobody else, its an inquiry, not an investigation which is why none of the documents even list any crimes.

    It's a counter intelligence inquiry which some people around Trump got thrown into.

    You might get Flynn on lying or Manafort for what happened there but that's it.

    You certainly won't get Russia on anything nor can you pin anything on Trump.
    Well, a lot of people want to know why Trump appointed Flynn national security advisor even after knowing he was under investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey. And then there's this:

    One of the Trump administration’s first decisions about the fight against the Islamic State was made by Michael Flynn weeks before he was fired – and it conformed to the wishes of Turkey, whose interests, unbeknownst to anyone in Washington, he’d been paid more than $500,000 to represent.

    The decision came 10 days before Donald Trump had been sworn in as president, in a conversation with President Barack Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, who had explained the Pentagon’s plan to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces whom the Pentagon considered the U.S.’s most effective military partners. Obama’s national security team had decided to ask for Trump’s sign-off, since the plan would all but certainly be executed after Trump had become president.

    Flynn didn’t hesitate. According to timelines distributed by members of Congress in the weeks since, Flynn told Rice to hold off, a move that would delay the military operation for months.
    Focus turns to Michael Flynn's work for Turkey, Russia | McClatchy Washington Bureau

    Trump got warnings about Flynn by a couple of people and they weren't casual warnings. He showed poor judgement at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Nations break international law all the time.

    Including us.

    What do you hope to gain out of this?

    Proof that Russia spies on us like we do them?

    Jesus, go read a Ludlum novel.
    I'm more interested in the 18 times members of Trump's campaign communicated with Russian officials while they were attempting to interfere with our election. Why aren't you concerned about that?

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