View Poll Results: will the the independent counsel clear trump?

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  • yes. Trump will be cleared.

    6 24.00%
  • Trump may be cleared but still impeached.

    1 4.00%
  • Trump will be cleared and not impeached.

    3 12.00%
  • not sure.

    7 28.00%
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    5 20.00%
  • holy crap, don't we live in interesting times.

    7 28.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    And then while the bed wetting liberals are celebrating their win, Mike Pence, a true, dyed in the wool, pro-traditional family, pro-life, life-long Republican is sworn in as the 46th President. He appoints judges and justices, signs laws, issues executive orders that set back liberals by decades. The Republicans, especially those that never liked Trump celebrate as the liberals cry, whine, protest, and throw fits.

    I will be laughing my ass off at those crying. The LGBT will be the real losers. Planned Parenthood will cease to exist.
    It's just a prediction, with some joking. I'm not looking forward to a Pence presidency either, but this is what happens when people get so irrationally angry that they pin their hopes on a bizarre and unpredictable clown without any principles. He goes down in flames—many of which he started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Where does it say he is?

    Even Comey said he was never investigating Trump. They are now investigating Flynn and Manafort but nobody else, its an inquiry, not an investigation which is why none of the documents even list any crimes.

    It's a counter intelligence inquiry which some people around Trump got thrown into.

    You might get Flynn on lying or Manafort for what happened there but that's it.

    You certainly won't get Russia on anything nor can you pin anything on Trump.
    IN THE VERY LETTER from Rosenstein itself, it says it.

    He [Mueller] is authorized to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,”
    that DOES include Trump himself.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ssia.html?_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It's just a prediction, with some joking. I'm not looking forward to a Pence presidency either, but this is what happens when people get so irrationally angry that they pin their hopes on a bizarre and unpredictable clown without any principles. He goes down in flames—many of which he started.
    Our founding fathers made it very hard to remove a sitting president from office. It is not an easy task to impeach and remove the president. It's actually never happened, although two presidents were impeached. In 1868 when President Andrew Johnson was impeached, he was a Democrat, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Republicans. In 1974 when President Richard M Nixon resigned prior to even a vote on impeachment, he was a Republican, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Democrats. In 1998 when President Bill Clinton was impeached, the opposition party controlled the House. The Senate was controlled by the Democrats. Hence the failure to remove him from office.

    In today's situation, President Donald J Trump is a Republican. The Republicans control both the House and Senate. This is the opposite of all three historical situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    In today's situation, President Donald J Trump is a Republican. The Republicans control both the House and Senate. This is the opposite of all three historical situations.
    And yet the die hard Republican McCain is talking about analogies to Watergate.

    I think you all need to ignore claimed party affiliation from now on. Trump is neither one nor the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Our founding fathers made it very hard to remove a sitting president from office. It is not an easy task to impeach and remove the president. It's actually never happened, although two presidents were impeached. In 1868 when President Andrew Johnson was impeached, he was a Democrat, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Republicans. In 1974 when President Richard M Nixon resigned prior to even a vote on impeachment, he was a Republican, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Democrats. In 1998 when President Bill Clinton was impeached, the opposition party controlled the House. The Senate was controlled by the Democrats. Hence the failure to remove him from office.

    In today's situation, President Donald J Trump is a Republican. The Republicans control both the House and Senate. This is the opposite of all three historical situations.
    I understand that Mueller will have the power to lay charges. I can see him approaching the Leaders in the House and saying look I'm going to charge Trump and/or Pence. You have 24 hours to convince them to step down or charges will be laid.
    At that point if they approach Trump like they did Nixon and he and/or Pence decide to stay we may see a criminal trail and our first President and/or VP convicted of a federal crime. At that point the House would have no choice but to impeach him. If it comes to an ultimatum and they are smart and take it, they save the US from going through all that just to end up having their dirty laundry made public and ending up most likely with the same result. If Mueller gets to the point he wants to press charges against them he likely will have the real goods on them and conviction is almost certain. I think we have a even chance of having President Pence as we have of President Ryan. Pence looks dirty if only in terms of being the head of the transition team, a cover up with Flynn and the whole appointment to Advisor of National Security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Our founding fathers made it very hard to remove a sitting president from office. It is not an easy task to impeach and remove the president. It's actually never happened, although two presidents were impeached. In 1868 when President Andrew Johnson was impeached, he was a Democrat, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Republicans. In 1974 when President Richard M Nixon resigned prior to even a vote on impeachment, he was a Republican, both the House and Senate were controlled by the opposition party, the Democrats. In 1998 when President Bill Clinton was impeached, the opposition party controlled the House. The Senate was controlled by the Democrats. Hence the failure to remove him from office.

    In today's situation, President Donald J Trump is a Republican. The Republicans control both the House and Senate. This is the opposite of all three historical situations.
    Which is why I didn't predict that he would be impeached. I do think he will resign though. I don't think there is much use in relying on the two other times a president was impeached out of 45 to predict though. Certainly anyone conscious knows that this presidency isn't bound to follow any patterns set by previous ones. I could be wrong, but I think there is going to be a "rats from a sinking ship" moment when suddenly the Republican party remembers that he isn't a Republican (after all) and they jump ship before they get sucked down with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I can absolutely guarantee you that the left will attack this guy when he finds nothing on Trump.

    They will bitch and moan that he is corrupt or try and blame Russia for buying him.
    You cannot guarantee jack-shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Only until you guys can actually get something on him.
    ....or the checks stop arriving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So every person ever fired by a president was involved in some conspiracy now?

    Or does this only apply to Trump?
    LOL...the silly shit you come up with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    He asked him to drop it because it wasn't going anywhere and it's time for us to move on.

    When he didn't he was fired for incompetence based also on his poor handling of the Hillary Clinton scandal.

    What the hell is suspicious about any of that?

    Here's what you just said, almost verbatim.....almost.

    Trump told him to drop his investigation of Trump's Russian connections.
    Comey refused.
    So Trump fired him and claimed it was for incompetence.
    The incompetence apparently being that Comey could not find enough evidence of criminal activity on the part of a political enemy of trump's (Clinton.)

    What the hell is suspecious about any of that?

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