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    will the independent counsel clear trump?

    will the independent counsel clear trump?

    That would be the foregone conclusion of his supporters. As well as others who claim not to support him but can't wait to defend him if a liberal criticizes him. However, something caught my eye about the DOJ order appointing special counsel.

    Mr. Rosenstein’s letter gave Mr. Mueller the authority to look into not only links or coordination between Russia and Trump campaign officials, but also “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” And it included a reference to a Justice Department regulation that permits special counsels to investigate attempts to impede their inquiry — like obstruction of justice and witness intimidation.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...for-trump.html

    Not to read too much into Rosenstien's order. But, it doesn't get any more "in your face" for Trump than that. Especially considering that just as recent as 5 days ago Rosentsien was saying that he didn't see the need for independent counsel. What changed between now and then?

    To restate in "Watchman" speak:

    What happened in the span of 5 short days that made Rosenstien go from "meh..not ready...let's hold off on relying on sources Trump can control... and fire at will... to investigate this matter" to....."know what? I'm going to appoint the homeboy of the guy Trump fired to give or president the political equivalent of the most invasive medical procedure imaginable"? For those of us named "Trump" that means that the Comey memo , that potentially incriminates you in obstruction of justice charges, is about to be reviewed by non other than America's own version of "Sherlock Holmes" ( and i don't mean Robert Downey Jr...although 'Iron Man' references may soon be appropriate as well' ).

    Ya know, that just kinda caught my interest.

    Otherwise, the rule of law has been restored. Trump can quite possibly assert his tyrannical rule and try to fire Mueller. But if he tried that his impeachment would be all but assured.

    It may be anyway.
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    The thing to remember about Special Prosecutor Muller is that he is independent from Congress and their hearings and investigations and actions.

    Secondly, any determinations from Muller to the DOJ will be sans input from the recused AG Sessions. Sessions is totally out of the loop on where the DOJ takes the information from Muller.

    In the federal criminal investigation of Donald John Trump...it is Special Prosecutor Muller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein running the show. No loyalty pledges to Trump from either of these two men.
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    No option for the counsel recommending impeachment? Instead two options for them clearing him (first and third)?
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    I can absolutely guarantee you that the left will attack this guy when he finds nothing on Trump.

    They will bitch and moan that he is corrupt or try and blame Russia for buying him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I can absolutely guarantee you that the left will attack this guy when he finds nothing on Trump.

    They will bitch and moan that he is corrupt or try and blame Russia for buying him.
    You are going to defend this fucker to the death, aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    You are going to defend this fucker to the death, aren't you?
    Only until you guys can actually get something on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Only until you guys can actually get something on him.
    Na, you will go down with him, I have seen this scenario before, cultism is deep and very hard to shake off, why do you think thousands drank the cyanide kool aid for Jim Jones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Na, you will go down with him, I have seen this scenario before, cultism is deep and very hard to shake off, why do you think thousands drank the cyanide kool aid for Jim Jones?
    You shouldn't confuse exposing liberal lies to support for Trump.
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    My question is, will Mueller will be given all the money and resources he needs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I can absolutely guarantee you that the left will attack this guy when he finds nothing on Trump.

    They will bitch and moan that he is corrupt or try and blame Russia for buying him.
    You mean like conservatives did to Comey?

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