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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Yep, and the jury never got to hear from the victim, she made sure of that.



    It's just another dead black person. No big deal to most conservatives.
    It appears even when the killing is unthinkable, a cop is always found not guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    It appears even when the killing is unthinkable, a cop is always found not guilty.
    Nah, not always.

    In this case it would seem that the prosecution did not prove the case beyond reasonable doubt.

    None of us were at the scene of the shooting, nor in the courtroom for the trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Nah, not always.

    In this case it would seem that the prosecution did not prove the case beyond reasonable doubt.

    None of us were at the scene of the shooting, nor in the courtroom for the trial.
    Of course there are exceptions but I am speaking more of these open/shut cases. I should have been clearer. No one had to be there to see what happened to this man. The video told all. The only thing that was blocked was the actual shooting and that alone is suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Failure to do so, however, is not a death penalty offense, much less one that can be meted out by an officer on the scene without due process and the like.

    Actually, it seems that is exactly what it is.
    I understand that, but why bet one's life on it when all one has to do is simply comply with lawful commands? Easy peazy.
    Bad parenting, a taught/learned response to authority figures, bravado inspired stupidity, or something, but it's certainly not reasonable or intelligent to think you have some right to ignore lawful commands being barked by someone who wears a gun on their hip for a living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Of course there are exceptions but I am speaking more of these open/shut cases. I should have been clearer. No one had to be there to see what happened to this man. The video told all. The only thing that was blocked was the actual shooting and that alone is suspicious.
    Obviously THIS was not an open/shut case.

    She said he was refusing her commands and seemed to be reaching into his vehicle for a gun.

    Plus he was high.

    Plus we did not see what transpired prior to the video of him walking away.

    Any time a cop tells you to do something, to do you should comply.

    Follow with a lawsuit AFTER the incident, if need be.

    Refuse a cops orders and bad things happen.

    Most of us already KNOW that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    I understand that, but why bet one's life on it when all one has to do is simply comply with lawful commands? Easy peazy.
    Bad parenting, a taught/learned response to authority figures, bravado inspired stupidity, or something, but it's certainly not reasonable or intelligent to think you have some right to ignore lawful commands being barked by someone who wears a gun on their hip for a living.
    If your car broke down and you flagged down a police car and they elevated the stress level scaring the shit out of you, you may not default to perfect responses. That said, if they then shoot you and you die how right is that? I think that has become a real issue when cops approach law abiding citizens and act like they are killers. Most innocent people do not have the slightest idea how to act in the middle of chaos and danger. It is easy to say but harder to do when you are placed in a situation where you are scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    If your car broke down and you flagged down a police car and they elevated the stress level scaring the shit out of you, you may not default to perfect responses. That said, if they then shoot you and you die how right is that? I think that has become a real issue when cops approach law abiding citizens and act like they are killers. Most innocent people do not have the slightest idea how to act in the middle of chaos and danger. It is easy to say but harder to do when you are placed in a situation where you are scared.

    You should probably familiarize yourself with the facts of the event before declaring it an "open and shut case".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    If your car broke down and you flagged down a police car and they elevated the stress level scaring the shit out of you, you may not default to perfect responses. That said, if they then shoot you and you die how right is that? I think that has become a real issue when cops approach law abiding citizens and act like they are killers. Most innocent people do not have the slightest idea how to act in the middle of chaos. It is easy to say but harder to do when you are placed in a situation where you are scared.
    Cops don't get scared? Cops see the absolute worst behavior humans have to offer every single day, which gives them just as much, if not more of a reason to fear us as we them....... so, since they have the guns....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    You should probably familiarize yourself with the facts of the event before declaring it an "open and shut case".
    I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Cops don't get scared? Cops see the absolute worst behavior humans have to offer every single day, which gives them just as much, if not more of a reason to fear us as we do them....... so, since they have the guns....
    Another problem...so do a lot of other folks carry and own guns. Illegally and legal plus mentally insane. This problem is not going away under those circumstances. Until there is a solution for guns, it is best you do what a cop tells you to do. He was headed back to his car and did not stop when ordered. I don't think cops are out searching for black people to shoot, they are responding to an environment that is getting more dangerous everyday.
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