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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ROFL....that post was TODAY! (it's a little late Mac)
    And you know there's plenty more where that came from. But since you insist on dishonestly characterizing me, I'm not going to bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The deal changed with these new sanctions.

    It was also the very first time Trump had a chance to change it, Obama had renewed it right before he left office.

    This is a new deal which is much stricter then what Obama did.
    The BBC's take on it is very different. Do you have a source for your claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    You mean to tell me the only choice for dealing with Iran is rolling over for them and kissing the mullah's asses by sending them pallets full of cash and giving them whatever they want or all out war?
    We refunded their own money. Not quite the same thing.
    Sanctions brought Iran to the table to begin with.
    But you didn't and don't WANT them at the table, so what difference does that make?
    We gave all that up for this shitty deal that enriches Iran and makes them stronger. The only thing we got was at best a delay. Meanwhile, Iran spit in the face of the US after the deal.
    I never expected better. You think they're going to kiss us? A delay is better than no stoppage at all, which is what we were up against.

    A leader would have cut off Iran's access to materials needed to create nuclear weapons and negotiated a deal that dismantled Iran's nuclear infrastructure. But Obama had this idiotic policy that if we were mindlessly nice then maniacs like the leadership of Iran then they'll be do what we want. And as a result we are living in a world where no part of it is more stable than when Obama took office.
    Obama is only the leader of one country, and every other country had reasons to break the sanctions. They weren't going to stay in place IN ANY CASE. We know this. We had a diminishing asset and did the best we could with it.
    I hope the president who has to deal with a nuclear Iran is a better man than Obama or Trump because neither one of them was up to the job. Trump is a clown who doesn't have a clue. It might be too late to undo the Iran deal. Russian and European corporate interests are pretty happy with the sanctions being gone so I'm sure they sent Obama a nice fruit basket. Good luck with anyone getting those sanctions back no matter what Iran does. And clueless Trump who probably gave what he wanted for lunch today more thought than he has ever given Iran is just going to go along with whatever the last thing someone told him was and reinforce this awful deal.
    You still haven't provided your brilliant suggestion for keeping Iran from getting nukes in a way that avoids war.

    That's because you can't.

    Tell you what--anything we could have done to Iran we can now do it NK. Got any bright ideas for that one?

    Didn't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    We refunded their own money. Not quite the same thing.
    That's the Obama spin. Actually it was ransom payments.
    But you didn't and don't WANT them at the table, so what difference does that make? I never expected better. You think they're going to kiss us? A delay is better than no stoppage at all, which is what we were up against.
    The reason we were up against that is because the deal was negotiated by an inadequate man who couldn't do any better so he framed his failure as the best thing possible. I wonder how many times he apologized to Iran during the

    Obama is only the leader of one country, and every other country had reasons to break the sanctions. They weren't going to stay in place IN ANY CASE. We know this. We had a diminishing asset and did the best we could with it.
    He was the leader of this country and yet he was serving the interests of Iran and Russia and Europe. Everyone else but this country. Those sanctions were fine until Obama got his hands on them.
    You still haven't provided your brilliant suggestion for keeping Iran from getting nukes in a way that avoids war.
    Step one is having the negotiations handled by someone who isn't eager to sell out his country to the mullahs.

    That's because you can't.

    Tell you what--anything we could have done to Iran we can now do it NK. Got any bright ideas for that one?

    Didn't think so.
    You are smarter than this. Iran doesn't have nukes yet. North Korea does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That's a pretty funny coming from people who spent eight years deflecting any criticism of Obama by blaming Bush.
    I guess you missed the point that I was invoking Clinton's name to criticize Trump.
    Imagine that. Someone can be critical of both.
    It's almost as if they aren't thinking along partisan lines!
    1. I wasn't one of those people that deflected and certainly didn't go back 12 years to do so like you often do just to take a shot at the Clintons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Good thing Hillary wasn't elected. We'd still have Obamacare and the Iran deal.

    ^^^^^WTF^^^^^This is just another, "well it wouldn't have been better under Hillary anyway B.S."

    2. You can be critical of anybody you want as long as its relevant to the thread. More often than not you do not give your opinion on Trump's actions you simply go automatically into deflection to the Clintons. We get it your a Clinton hater but she's gone and she was never President. Get over it. This just serves to derail a thread and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    The BBC's take on it is very different. Do you have a source for your claim?
    Its in the link in the OP.

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    These so called new sanctions were in fact placed, or at least first announced on February 2nd. They were zeroing in on missile procurement and supply following Iran's missile test. Trump signing this extension of the nuclear deal is unrelated.

    Trump slaps new sanctions on Iran after missile test - POLITICO

    Treasury Department announcing sanctions against Iran Friday morning - CNNPolitics.com

    I love that politico used a pic of Michael Flynn when he "put Iran on notice".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    1. I wasn't one of those people that deflected and certainly didn't go back 12 years to do so like you often do just to take a shot at the Clintons.




    ^^^^^WTF^^^^^This is just another, "well it wouldn't have been better under Hillary anyway B.S."

    2. You can be critical of anybody you want as long as its relevant to the thread. More often than not you do not give your opinion on Trump's actions you simply go automatically into deflection to the Clintons. We get it your a Clinton hater but she's gone and she was never President. Get over it. This just serves to derail a thread and you know it.
    It illustrates what a phony Trump is. People who voted for him should be upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That's the Obama spin. Actually it was ransom payments.
    Factually untrue. This is beneath you.
    The reason we were up against that is because the deal was negotiated by an inadequate man who couldn't do any better so he framed his failure as the best thing possible. I wonder how many times he apologized to Iran during the
    Sounds like the con argument on health care--"this is terrible!" but no actual alternatives.
    He was the leader of this country and yet he was serving the interests of Iran and Russia and Europe. Everyone else but this country. Those sanctions were fine until Obama got his hands on them.
    Step one is having the negotiations handled by someone who isn't eager to sell out his country to the mullahs.
    A rant without evidence or even an argument.

    You are smarter than this. Iran doesn't have nukes yet. North Korea does.
    NK can't hurt us with them...yet.

    You've got nothing except "you suck." You're position is completely empty because you have no workable alternative. You just imagine there MUST be one and that someone other than Obama could find it. This is a childish reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Factually untrue. This is beneath you.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/w...ners.html?_r=0
    Sounds like the con argument on health care--"this is terrible!" but no actual alternatives.
    A rant without evidence or even an argument.
    The evidence is the lack of evidence that the sanctions were in any danger until Obama came along. I truly don't understand this position of "Welp, Iran is going to get nukes sooner or later so we might as well make sure they're as financially well off as possible when they do."
    Seriously, if this deal was supposed to prevent war, then what sense did lifting weapons and missile embargoes on them make?

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