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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ROFL....that post was TODAY! (it's a little late Mac)
    You know what's ironic here? You're on the same side as Donald Trump on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    You know what's ironic here? You're on the same side as Donald Trump on this one.
    Mac? Where are all your brave, courageous Republicans.....who said "Obama's Iran deal was the worst thing ever"....


    who are now SILENT as Trump continues the Obama Iran Deal????

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Mac? Where are all your brave, courageous Republicans.....who said "Obama's Iran deal was the worst thing ever"....


    who are now SILENT as Trump continues the Obama Iran Deal????
    I left the party, remember? Not my clowns, not my circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    I left the party, remember? Not my clowns, not my circus.
    Yeah, right.....

    be sure to tell us how many "Constitution Party" or "Libertarian Party" candidates you'll vote for in 2018.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Yeah, right.....

    be sure to tell us how many "Constitution Party" or "Libertarian Party" candidates you'll vote for in 2018.

    How would I know that now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The deal changed with these new sanctions.

    It was also the very first time Trump had a chance to change it, Obama had renewed it right before he left office.

    This is a new deal which is much stricter then what Obama did.
    LOL. You know NOTHING about this, nothing at all.

    You know what they say.
    Smart people know there's a lot they don't know.
    Stupid people think they know everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    How would I know that now?
    No I know the answer NOW......

    despite your claim to "leaving the Party"?....I'll ask you after Election Day 2018 "Mac? How many NON-Republicans did you vote for yesterday?"

    and you'll dodge, deflect or say "I voted for the lesser of two evils"


    Your "I left the party" claim....is bullshit to make it seem as if you're "not part of the other 99% of the Party who are Trump toadies."

    WHEN IT COUNTS....voting? You're still the same utterly loyal member of the Republican Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    No I know the answer NOW......

    despite your claim to "leaving the Party"?....I'll ask you after Election Day 2018 "Mac? How many NON-Republicans did you vote for yesterday?"

    and you'll dodge, deflect or say "I voted for the lesser of two evils"


    Your "I left the party" claim....is bullshit to make it seem as if you're "not part of the other 99% of the Party who are Trump toadies."

    WHEN IT COUNTS....voting? You're still the same utterly loyal member of the Republican Party.
    Given how bad your record has been with your predictions about me, I don't know why you keep insisting on trying again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/w...ners.html?_r=0
    The evidence is the lack of evidence that the sanctions were in any danger until Obama came along. I truly don't understand this position of "Welp, Iran is going to get nukes sooner or later so we might as well make sure they're as financially well off as possible when they do."
    Seriously, if this deal was supposed to prevent war, then what sense did lifting weapons and missile embargoes on them make?
    You need to just continue whining and stamping your feet: "No. No! NO!"

    When you can present an actual alternative, I'll listen. Pretending that the previous policy was getting anywhere just isn't credible. Pretending that Iran would not develop nukes without some kind of intervention is just not credible. Continuing useless policies against our adversaries didn't work with Cuba and hasn't worked with North Korea. Intervening via "preemptive war" didn't work with Iraq. With the exception of our digital interference through computer networks, nothing we did slowed down Iran's nuclear program. Sanctions were not going to hold and were thus an asset of diminishing value.

    In the meantime, Iran now has no excuses for not participating in the larger world economic system that has kept the world largely at peace via economic development since the Second World War. That's a good thing. Our goal should not be to impoverish Iran (or anyone). It should be to keep them from developing nukes, and the Iran Deal is doing just that.

    Your "stay the course" nonsense never worked before. Why should we expect it to now?

    Frankly, I think your whole argument springs from ego. You think it makes us look weak or you don't like the way Iran continues to treat us. Whaaaaa! Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You need to just continue whining and stamping your feet: "No. No! NO!"

    When you can present an actual alternative, I'll listen. Pretending that the previous policy was getting anywhere just aren't credible. Pretending that Iran would not develop nukes without some kind of intervention is just not credible. Continuing useless policies against our adversaries didn't work with Cuba and hasn't worked with North Korea. With the exception of our digital interference through computer networks, nothing we did slowed down Iran's nuclear program. Sanctions were not going to hold and were thus an asset of diminishing value.

    In the meantime, Iran now has no excuses for not participating in the larger world economic system that has kept the world largely at peace via economic development since the Second World War. That's a good thing. Our goal should not be to impoverish Iran (or anyone). It should be to keep them from developing nukes, and the Iran Deal is doing just that. h

    Your "stay the course" nonsense never worked before. Why should we expect it to now?
    Speaking of pretending, you keep insisting that a nuclear Iran was an inevitability with no evidence.
    My alternative is a deal negotiated by an adequate diplomat who didn't have this idea that if he just gave the mullahs everything they wanted then they would fall in love with the US. Maybe someone who actually acts like this is a rogue nation and an avowed enemy of the US. This whole "sanctions will not hold" is just another excuse for yet another Obama foreign policy failure. There's no evidence of that.
    There is no alternative to offer at this point. The Iran Deal has pretty much made a nuclear Iran an inevitability. So thanks Obama for an Iran that is richer, stronger and with even more influence who will get those nukes.

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