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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Sorry... I was trying to picture a transgender Chechen, and what came to my mind was Kadyrov wearing a wig and a dress...

    Look... I never even heard of such things growing up. I actually saw a trans person in real life for first time like, a year ago, at a mall around here. I am still adjusting to it all...

    I totally support that person in the article and wish him/her all the best in life. Glad that s/he is now safe in America
    Apart from our basic humanity, we should be alarmed at Putin's oppression and reported mass murder of gays in his country. Demonizing and persecuting such people is a traditional canary in the mine, foretelling of massive more such fascist assault on yet more groups to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Hell, in Russia in the 90s, and early 2000s, before the Orthodox Church rose to its current influence, most people didn't even think much about this issue. In Soviet Union, homosexuality was banned. In 1991, it was decriminalized, after Communism went away. But it wasn't something people talked about even.

    Now, some folks actually organize on own special forums to go beat up gay rights activists at their demonstrations

    And teach their kids to do same


    And my friends over there, I ask them about this and they are like, yeah, that's right, we ain't Europe, we don't want this gay shit on our streets!

    Your friends are pursuing a very dark, dangerous path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Your friends are pursuing a very dark, dangerous path.
    Not only my friends. That whole damn country...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Not only my friends. That whole damn country...
    Shaping violent behavior like this is a tried and true method of eons-long poverty and totalitarianism.

    Just ask the Irish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Shaping violent behavior like this is a tried and true method of eons-long poverty and totalitarianism.

    Just ask the Irish.
    Well, what does one expect?

    Know who are heroes of Russian youth, today?

    One of the favorite teen TV shows in Russia, on TNT channel, "Law of the Stone Jungle"

    let me tell you a bit about it.

    Main protagonists:

    Vadim, a mobbed up drug dealer and pimp, total scumbag, but rich, got his own club and everything


    Sasha (Aleksandr), Vadim's right hand and bodyguard


    And the actual heroes, right to left: Timofei "Tim" Gordeev, Georgy "Gosha" Shustrov, Konstantin "Tsypa" Tsyplakov

    Teenage gangbangers who also work for Vadim. Tim is the head of the gang; although Tsypa enjoys a pretty high status also, namely - because he is Vadim's very own little brother, they grew up together in a Children's Home (state orphanage, the cornerstone of Russia's foster system, where boys grow up to be thugs and girls - prostitutes...) and Vadim later pulled him into the criminal life, lured him with the money and all
    http://media.filmz.ru/photos/full/fi..._f_237540.jpeg
    I love that scene, in the two pics above. This is at Vadim's club, the boys were, understandable, distracted by that stripper, as Sasha was giving them instructions about an upcoming drug shipment they are to pick up and bring to Vadim. He gets pissed and draws that shank of his and drives it right into the table in front of them. They start to pay attention after haha

    Other prominent members of the gang include Pavel "Zhuk" Zhukov


    Tough mofo, who fights in an underground no-rules MMA league
    https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...41&oe=595FB5EA
    and never goes anywhere without his brass knuckles, pictured above.

    He is the only one of them that has his own gun
    http://lawjungle.ru/uploads/posts/20...spasat-iru.jpg

    In one of the early episodes, he and Gosha are in a van with a bunch of drugs, and a police patrol comes by
    http://s2.dmcdn.net/KNsng/1280x720-Pu8.jpg
    Gosha is a more or less good kid from a stable family, and Zhuk (who is a CH boy just like Tsypa, in fact, that's why they are buddies) wants to keep him out of trouble, so runs from the van, alone, leading the cops away, on a wild chase through the slums (this is set in Lyubertsy, btw, one of the grittiest suburbs of Moscow, and my very own old stomping grounds haha); he knows the place better than the cops, loses one, and ambushes, jumps, the other in some dark back alleyway, knocks him out and takes his gun. That's pretty much the only way to get a Makarov PM pistol in Russia, literally take one from a cop. In criminal circles, carrying a piece like that gets you huge respect, or cred, as you might call it in America haha

    His girlfriend, Irina, is the most gorgeous of the girls in the series, they have some awesome bed scenes

    And yes, this is a teen show...

    In another episode, Tsypa admits to Vadim he's never been with a girl before and needs to learn about it, because his girlfriend, Tim's lovely sister Lisa
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    now wants to get active; Vadim is shocked and pissed "Are you really my brother?!" but then helps him, but making one of his strippers... you know... show him the ropes, so to speak; I am not gonna post images from that one; suffice to say, no wonder Russian kids mature early...

    Anyway, another notable member of the gang is Filipp "Goofy" Gubin, who likes to perform really stupid rap music and to get high and flirt awkwardly with his friends' girlfriends (he doesn't have one of his own) lol

    That's Elena, Tim's GF. Goofy actually has a big crush on her, even has a very sexual dream about her in one episode (fueled by a mix of alcohol and lots of pot...) Never acts on it though, too afraid of Tim hehe

    Other boys join in as the series progresses, the gang grows bigger. But those above are the core, always.

    Their allies are mainly Vadim and Sasha and Vadim's other, grown up goons


    And their enemies are the police

    Always out to bust them, shake them (and all the unfortunate residents of their neighborhood) down for bribes, get them to rat out their friends, et al. Police = bad guys, in other words. I am, frankly, shocked this is being broadcast on bloody national TV over there...

    And rival gangs, especially Mansur

    the leader of a gang of "Southerners" (meaning - boys like me, from Caucasus)

    Mansur has a huge feud with Tim's gang, for many episodes, starting from when Zhuk takes on Mansur's brother in a prize fight and beats him unconscious, hurts him badly, leaving him, I believe, with permanent injuries. The guy had himself severely injured a friend of Zhuk's in a previous fight, that was payback; but it starts a whole war in the hood...

    Tsypa and Sasha have their own little rivalry, at one point, with Sasha pissed that Vadim wants Tsypa (and not himself) to eventually inherit his club and his whole underworld empire; so he actually tries to start some trouble between Tsypa and Tim, and Tsypa retaliates by blowing up his fucking car!


    Anyhow, yeah, this what many Russian kids watch on TV, and who they learn to emulate.

    What to expect, in that environment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Sorry... I was trying to picture a transgender Chechen, and what came to my mind was Kadyrov wearing a wig and a dress...

    Look... I never even heard of such things growing up. I actually saw a trans person in real life for first time like, a year ago, at a mall around here. I am still adjusting to it all...

    I totally support that person in the article and wish him/her all the best in life. Glad that s/he is now safe in America
    That's OK. Thank you for all your insight into what is going on in Chechnya. It's alarming to be sure. I truly hope Russia will not tolerate religious extremists for long, but it seems they already do. Your country could be in for a very ugly civil war between Christians and Muslims, sad to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    That's OK. Thank you for all your insight into what is going on in Chechnya. It's alarming to be sure. I truly hope Russia will not tolerate religious extremists for long, but it seems they already do. Your country could be in for a very ugly civil war between Christians and Muslims, sad to say.
    Civil war? Nah, man... Most of the Muslims in Russia ain't extreme. Hell, in the two biggest Muslim republics, on the Volqa, Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, few women even wear the hijab! Chechnya and Dagestan are the two most religious. Kadyrov is loyal to the death to Putin though, he would never go against the Kremlin. And he and his clan hate the Wahhabis, because they assassinated, in 2004, in a bombing, his father, Akhmad Kadyrov, the first Putin-appointed head of Chechnya, after federal forces retook the republic and restored order, in 1999/2000. It's a blood feud. That's a very powerful force in Chechen or any Caucasian society. It mean Kadyrov and all his people will never stop and never sleep, until they eradicate all Wahhabis from Chechnya... They have pretty much accomplished that, at this point. Chechnya is no longer a threat, in any meaningful way. And Dagestan... yeah, they have an underground. But, worst those guys can do is set off a bomb in some place sometimes. That's it. They certainly don't have the numbers of firepower for a "civil war".
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Civil war? Nah, man... Most of the Muslims in Russia ain't extreme. Hell, in the two biggest Muslim republics, on the Volqa, Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, few women even wear the hijab! Chechnya and Dagestan are the two most religious. Kadyrov is loyal to the death to Putin though, he would never go against the Kremlin. And he and his clan hate the Wahhabis, because they assassinated, in 2004, in a bombing, his father, Akhmad Kadyrov, the first Putin-appointed head of Chechnya, after federal forces retook the republic and restored order, in 1999/2000. It's a blood feud. That's a very powerful force in Chechen or any Caucasian society. It mean Kadyrov and all his people will never stop and never sleep, until they eradicate all Wahhabis from Chechnya... They have pretty much accomplished that, at this point. Chechnya is no longer a threat, in any meaningful way. And Dagestan... yeah, they have an underground. But, worst those guys can do is set off a bomb in some place sometimes. That's it. They certainly don't have the numbers of firepower for a "civil war".
    Don't think they won't try. If they're doing what they are to gay people in Chechnya, you can be damn sure they won't just stop there. See my thread here:

    Chechen gay men hopeful of finding refuge in five countries

    The US needs to step up and help out. And we can by taking these people in. If we do, it definitely sends a message to Moscow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Don't think they won't try. If they're doing what they are to gay people in Chechnya, you can be damn sure they won't just stop there. See my thread here:

    Chechen gay men hopeful of finding refuge in five countries

    The US needs to step up and help out. And we can by taking these people in. If we do, it definitely sends a message to Moscow.
    I agree. With second part. Not with first. I don't foresee any civil war like that in Russia, sorry.

    If there will be a civil war, it will be when Communists and other atheists rise up against the rising influence of the Orthodox Church in the Slavic Russian society lol Now there are some TENSIONS, right now... A famous TV host even recently asked Putin, the Patriarch Kirill (head of the Church), and the head judge of the Constitutional Court, openly, on air, on TV, if atheists, like himself, will soon be jailed in Russia for expressing their views in public: Veteran State TV Journalist Asks On Air: Can Atheism Get You Jailed In Russia?

    Serious question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I agree. With second part. Not with first. I don't foresee any civil war like that in Russia, sorry.

    If there will be a civil war, it will be when Communists and other atheists rise up against the rising influence of the Orthodox Church in the Slavic Russian society lol Now there are some TENSIONS, right now... A famous TV host even recently asked Putin, the Patriarch Kirill (head of the Church), and the head judge of the Constitutional Court, openly, on air, on TV, if atheists, like himself, will soon be jailed in Russia for expressing their views in public: Veteran State TV Journalist Asks On Air: Can Atheism Get You Jailed In Russia?

    Serious question.
    He probably knows the answer.
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