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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    He probably knows the answer.
    He knows HE himself won't likely ever get thrown in jail for anything... Too famous, and he is a US and French citizen in addition to Russian (long story, he was born abroad, to emigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Posner)

    It would just be too much of a scandal, in short lol

    He asked on behalf of regular folks, who don't enjoy such privileges...

    The Church reassured him that no, not ALL atheists are criminals: Russian Orthodox Church Says Not All Atheists Are Criminals

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    He knows HE himself won't likely ever get thrown in jail for anything... Too famous, and he is a US and French citizen in addition to Russian (long story, he was born abroad, to emigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Posner)

    It would just be too much of a scandal, in short lol

    He asked on behalf of regular folks, who don't enjoy such privileges...

    The Church reassured him that no, not ALL atheists are criminals: Russian Orthodox Church Says Not All Atheists Are Criminals

    Wow, that is seriously scary. And just think, that's what the religious right is fighting for in this country. No wonder they like Russia so much. It's what they want here too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    He knows HE himself won't likely ever get thrown in jail for anything... Too famous, and he is a US and French citizen in addition to Russian (long story, he was born abroad, to emigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Posner)

    It would just be too much of a scandal, in short lol

    He asked on behalf of regular folks, who don't enjoy such privileges...

    The Church reassured him that no, not ALL atheists are criminals: Russian Orthodox Church Says Not All Atheists Are Criminals

    Notice the right wingers in here have not chimed in to deny that this is what they want for the US? When I make this claim, a thread usually goes dead. I'd say that's very telling of their point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Wow, that is seriously scary. And just think, that's what the religious right is fighting for in this country. No wonder they like Russia so much. It's what they want here too.
    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Notice the right wingers in here have not chimed in to deny that this is what they want for the US? When I make this claim, a thread usually goes dead. I'd say that's very telling of their point of view.
    Oh, I know plenty of right wingers here in Canada, in real life, who admire Putin and the way he runs Russia. Coworker of mine recently said to me, your Putin is a real man, eh, not like Trudeau over here...

    I am not exactly sure what the qualifications for "real man" are, in this dude's mind...
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    Chechen Human Rights Ombudsman Nurdi Nukhazhiyev © Alexei Nikolsky/TASS

    "There is not a single piece of evidence to prove that such people exist in Chechnya, let alone are subject to persecution," he pointed out.

    "Numerous probes conducted by state agencies, including us, did not prove the allegations expressed by the Novaya Gazeta daily," he said. "It seems, some forces have been ordered to stir up the hype, and received money to implement the plan," the ombudsman added.

    According to Nukhazhiyev, the whole story has been invented while the hype is being deliberately boosted to undermine the foundations of the Chechen society.

    "The interesting thing is that no one saw anything, no one knows anyone but provocative information is being spread to hurt Chechens’ feelings while those insulting the people claim to be virtuous. It is a well-known mean trick," the human rights ombudsman said.
    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Chechen human rights ombudsman slams LGBT persecution claims as hype
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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Don't think they won't try. If they're doing what they are to gay people in Chechnya, you can be damn sure they won't just stop there. See my thread here:

    Chechen gay men hopeful of finding refuge in five countries

    The US needs to step up and help out. And we can by taking these people in. If we do, it definitely sends a message to Moscow.
    Step up how? Invade Chechnya and kidnap the gay men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post

    Chechen Human Rights Ombudsman Nurdi Nukhazhiyev © Alexei Nikolsky/TASS



    TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Chechen human rights ombudsman slams LGBT persecution claims as hype
    Stalin said there were no Gulags, too. A lot of post-WWII spycraft inside the USSR by the CiA was aimed at getting people and evidence out, so as to prove this.

    Like Solzhenitsyn, who is heroic to me.
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    @leekohler2 and @Madeline

    We finally have some real progress:

    Moscow’s probe into an anti-gay purge in Chechnya might be preliminary, but its effects are anything but. Russia’s Investigative Committee has not opened a single criminal case, and local authorities are already panicking, reported Novaya Gazeta, the newspaper that broke the original story.

    One by one, high-rank officials have lined up to make statements about their newfound tolerance of the LGBT community. Magomed Dashayev, head of the Grozny police, suggested he would even allow a gay parade in the center of Chechen capital Grozny.

    Other officials have closed ranks, according to Novaya Gazeta. Some ignored interrogation subpoenas altogether, citing bad health. Those who spoke to investigators “looked nervous and denied everything.”

    The probe, which has been sanctioned by the Kremlin, is a first for Chechnya. Up until now, the republic’s notorious leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, had been left alone as a quid pro quo for pacifying the one-time warring region. Never before had his private fiefdom been rattled by an external inspection.

    For human rights activists, it is an unprecedented opportunity — though few entertain serious hopes for change.
    Much more: Panic Mode: Moscow Probe Into Anti-Gay Purge Has Chechen Leaders Rattled

    It's true. Kadyrov is very upset right now lol For years, he's been allowed to just rule Chechnya as his personal fiefdom, without any interference from the feds. He's been afforded more leeway and autonomy than any other regional governor. No more, however, it seems.

    We shall see what eventually comes of it all. But, I certainly welcome this little change, at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    @leekohler2 and @Madeline

    We finally have some real progress:



    Much more: Panic Mode: Moscow Probe Into Anti-Gay Purge Has Chechen Leaders Rattled

    It's true. Kadyrov is very upset right now lol For years, he's been allowed to just rule Chechnya as his personal fiefdom, without any interference from the feds. He's been afforded more leeway and autonomy than any other regional governor. No more, however, it seems.

    We shall see what eventually comes of it all. But, I certainly welcome this little change, at least
    I keep the gay men and their families in my prayers. Do you think they might still be alive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I keep the gay men and their families in my prayers. Do you think they might still be alive?
    Dozens, I hear, have been smuggled out from Chechnya into Moscow or St. Petersburg, by those activists helping them. Problem is, those cities have their own Chechen diasporas, just as hostile to them. Fact is, Chechen society is made up of clans, like among others from Caucasus. Large, multi family entities called teips. A teip can include hundreds of people. If you somehow disgrace your clan in Chechnya, such as by being gay, for example... and then go to Moscow; chances are goid there will be members of your clan among the diaspora there. And they will come to hunt your ass down, upon orders of clan elders back home, in the mountains...

    And local police there are both homophobic and racist against us Caucasians. So, they have no particular inclination to help or protect you.

    Those who make it abroad from there, especially to US and Canada, will finally be safe.... Hopefully, more will.
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