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    Saudis making friends with Russia

    A blossoming friendship between Saudi Arabia and Russia is being reflected in a recent spate of deals, and signals yet another sea change in the ever-evolving global order.

    The Middle Eastern kingdom has enjoyed a longstanding and broadly cooperative relationship with the U.S., dating back to the start of oil exploration within Saudi Arabia in the 1930s. The latest cast of key characters, headed by U.S. President Donald Trump and Saudi's King Salman, has established a warmer rapport than seen during the final years of former President Barack Obama's presidency when tensions developed over Saudi Arabia's stance on Iran and Yemen.

    Yet cooperative links are now flourishing between the kingdom and Russia – the U.S.'s longstanding foe.

    The flagship symbol of cooperation is the oil output cut agreement between OPEC and non-OPEC members, originally brokered and recently extended thanks largely to the determined efforts of Saudi Arabian and Russian representatives.

    OPEC President Mohammed Barkindo told CNBC on Thursday from St. Petersburg that there was no doubt the "turning point" for the deal was when both countries decided to come together in China last year to sign a statement of cooperation that was "widely acclaimed".

    "For them to decide to come together to address the challenges of the market … I think it is a welcome development by all producing countries," he asserted, adding that just this week both sides had reiterated their joint determination to work together to ensure that the oil market's volatility is tackled.

    Kirill Dmitriev, chief executive officer (CEO) of the sovereign wealth fund the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), also hailed the deal as "historic", in a conversation with CNBC on Friday.

    "It's the first time Saudi Arabia and Russia are working together very well on the international stage," he explained.

    In other signs of tightening relations, Friday morning alone saw Russia's largest oil producer, Rosneft, and Saudi Arabia's national oil company Saudi Aramco announce that they will look into joint investments in the kingdom with another Russian gas giant Lukoil also revealing that it will consider marketing oil alongside Saudi Aramco. That same morning, Saudi Arabia confirmed it would evaluate the possibility of joining Russia's arctic liquid natural gas (LNG) project.
    Long-term US ally Saudi Arabia fast becoming firm friends with Russia

    Also: Saudi Arabia to consider investing in Russia's Eurasia Drilling: TASS | Reuters

    The Saudi prince main line to the throne, their defense minister, forget his name, was in Moscow just three days ago


    This isn't their first move closer, actually...

    Back in 2015, they signed a deal for the Saudis to invest some $10 billion in Russia over the next five years: Saudi Arabia to invest $10B in Russia

    Back then, they gave Putin a sword too, just like Trump recently



    The Saudis are also intetested in Russian weapons:
    TASS: Military & Defense - Saudi Arabia interested in purchasing Russian military hardware
    Russia tries to elbow its way into Saudi Arabia arms club

    At the same time, relations are also improving with Turkey: Russia lifts sanctions on Turkish food in diplomatic thaw - BBC News

    Turkey is reportedly negotiating to buy S-400 missiles from Russia, and Putin is on board with it: https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...key-putin-says

    I am putting aside my own considerable personal dislikes of both Turkey and SA here, to analyze this objectively.

    And, objectively... it makes sense.

    Russia simply cannot place all her eggs in the Middle East into one basket. Just stick with the Shias, Iran and Assad.

    There millions of Russian Muslims, most of whom are Sunnis


    Most are loyal, patriotic citizens



    They are well represented in the military too

    They are loyal sons of their Motherland, ready to kill and die for Her, as much as the Slavs...

    But they too question why Russia is, in their view, helping beat down fellow Sunnis in Syria...

    Muslim leaders have brought these concerns up to Putin at their Kremlin meetings


    To ease their worries, Putin has allowed them to run their own charirable projects to help especially Sunni Syrian refugees inside and outside Syria.

    Here, Russian Muslims helping build a school for Syrian kids in Lebanon


    More on that: Russia's Hearts-and-Minds Campaign in Syria Is Aimed at Home | Foreign Policy

    It was also no coincidence that Russia specifically chose a Military Police unit made up of Muslims, mostly Chechens, to deploy to Aleppo to oversee order and security in areas freshly recovered from the militants

    Local Sunni civilians felt better, protected by these heavily armed fellow Sunni Muslims, who would not let the Syrian government mistreat them; and Russian Sunnis at home also saw their troops, on TV, doing good there.

    This is a continuation of that IMHO

    And, also, a message to Iran that they are far from irreplaceable and indispensable, as an ally

    That Russia has other options, if need be.

    Smart move by Putin. Pragmatically and unemotionally speaking...

    Still hate the Turks and Saudis though...
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    Fuck the Saudis and their horrendous human right's record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Fuck the Saudis and their horrendous human right's record.
    Oh, I totally agree with you there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Oh, I totally agree with you there...
    Seriously, if Russia wants to take over that pile of crazy, they can fucking have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYG Jacob View Post
    Fuck the Saudis and their horrendous human right's record.
    Its funny to watch the liberals sucking up to China after the Paris agreement all of a sudden and saying how great they are.

    No human rights violations with them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its funny to watch the liberals sucking up to China after the Paris agreement all of a sudden and saying how great they are.

    No human rights violations with them at all.
    This guy was "Uncle Joe" for a short while.


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    Both China and Russia are working hard to increase their sphere of influence. Russia needs OPEC as an allie to keep the oil price up. And now that they have found out that Trump can't just remove the sanctions with an EO, they are not worried about alienating him.

    Every time I read the news from Africa or South America, I see where the Chinese are building another large infrastructure project of buying/building industries.

    It's a concerted effort to increase their world impact and lessen that of the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its funny to watch the liberals sucking up to China after the Paris agreement all of a sudden and saying how great they are.

    No human rights violations with them at all.
    Boy, you sure beat in strawjacob there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Both China and Russia are working hard to increase their sphere of influence. Russia needs OPEC as an allie to keep the oil price up. And now that they have found out that Trump can't just remove the sanctions with an EO, they are not worried about alienating him.

    Every time I read the news from Africa or South America, I see where the Chinese are building another large infrastructure project of buying/building industries.

    It's a concerted effort to increase their world impact and lessen that of the US.
    Well, it's working. You do know this only adds to the arguments, that Trump is a Russian plant? 'Cause Putin wants to weaken the US on the world stage as much as possible. And that China is in on it.
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