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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    I hope that his customers like the taste of his hair in their cakes.
    I don't have the best GAYDAR, but... I dunno

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    Dude LOVES decorating cakes and gets REALLY SUPER sensitive about gay issues...hmmm
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    And sweat.
    Not to mention tears!
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    I doubt a muslim bakery would be forced to bake a same sex cake ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by chevy View Post
    I doubt a muslim bakery would be forced to bake a same sex cake ........
    Well, as long as you doubt. That settles it, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Simple, the religious person feels that he or she is being told they have to put their religion aside to accommodate the lifestyle choices of another. Religious people are believers. Believers are dangerous. The Constitution clearly states in the First Amendment that "the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" These people believe that their religion prohibits them from being involved with a same sex marriage.

    Rather than taking their money elsewhere, the same sex couples that bring these lawsuits want courts to compel the baker, photographer, pastor, or whatever other service provider to participate. This particular case, the cake maker made several cakes for the couple over the years but would not make the rainbow wedding cake for their ceremony. They did get the cake made elsewhere, actually for free but want this baker to be forced to make cakes for same sex weddings when he says it is against his religion.

    A better course of action, in my opinion would be to take your business elsewhere. This baker would not only lose the money for making the wedding cake but all future business of the couple. They were customers of the baker. They bought several cakes there. Can the baker afford to run off customers? Customers who will tell others that even if not LGBT support the LGBT community? There are other bakers that are happy to bake that cake and make that money.
    Who's being told they have to put their religion aside? Whose religion requires them to practice their religion on other people, not just themselves? If one is a Christian who believes homosexuality is bad, the way to PRACTICE that belief is to NOT personally engage in homosexual acts. Baking a cake for someone who believes something different, is NOT putting one's religion aside, but NOT requiring someone else, to practice YOUR religion.

    Besides, the Bible is full of passages about other sins (why are they ignored by those who seem to only focus on OTHER people's homosexuality) and full of passages about NOT condemning other sinners, unless one is without sin and if one is Christian, they should known they are NOT without sin as all HUMANS are sinners.....according to the same "BELIEFS" they are using to discriminate against other human beings about. Would the same bakers NOT bake a cake for the current President, because he is an admitted adulterer and was caught on tape, claiming he wanted to "F" another woman who was married and grabs women's pussies, while married to his current wife? Adultery is mentioned as one of the Ten Commandments, is homosexuality?

    Discrimination is NOT a Christian value, by example of the passages from the Bible I referred to in a previous post.

    Just where is any Christian barred from their place of worship or practicing their religion freely at home or at those places of worship, which enjoy tax free status?

    Just where in the bible does it say all other people must practice Christian beliefs, NOT just those that believe in them?

    If the baker advertised as being a Christian bakery that sold Christian cakes based in their Christian faith, they might have a case, but if one advertises cakes to be made for everyone, then suddenly cherry picks which "sinners", they will or will not bake a cake for, that might be, just what it looks like, discrimination, Even the Bible condemns discrimination.


    43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

    48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    - From Matthew, chapter 5

    If Christianity is "under attack" it is NOT from the outside, but from within. Even Pope Francis recognizes this. It is the hypocrisy and the hypocritical authoritarianism coming from some who claim to be "Christian" that is eating attacking Christianity from the inside, no less than the Puritans attacked Christianity, much in the same way, from their holier-than-thou (a sin, in of itself, based on Bible passages), positions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...an_New_England



    One might ask if one or several of the justices might bring up the following from the Bible and ask, who the court would decide in favor of......
    What the Pharisees were looking to have Jesus do to the adulteress (condemn her) or what he did (not condemn her).

    Will the Supreme Court decide that the Bakers can act more like the Pharisees or will they decide that the bakers should go back and read.....the Gospel of John, 7:53-8:11 and REALLY act according to what they believe, Jesus was saying. Like bake the cake and send it with a not that says, take this cake, but know we do not believe homosexuality is right, according to our beliefs. Like Christ, they would not have condemned the homosexuals by refusing to bake a cake for them, but they would also be stating their beliefs and likely, have the word passed around that their bakery is not where homosexuals want to buy their cakes.

    Christ did not tell the adulteress to sin, no more or I will come after you and get God to make you burn in hellfire. Christ sent the message that while he would take no action to condemn her, as the Pharisees wanted him to, he did not wish her to continue in her ways, perhaps because she could see, he was forgiving, not condemning and would give up her ways in exchange for such forgiveness and kindness, as well as revealing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, condemning others for their sins, while being sinners, themselves.

    Some Christians believe the way to get people to believe as they do, is NOT to try to force their ways upon others as others might try to force their ways on them, but to do the opposite, showing that force and condemnation are no less sinful than any sin. It is hard to continue to hate someone if you scream and yell at them, telling them how much you hate them and threaten them with harm.......and instead of shooting you as a threat to them, they invite you in for coffee and cake and say, let's talk about what's got you upset.

    Other "Christians" seem to believe they should be the sin police, going around forcing others to stop their sinning, even if those they try to force or enforce their religious beliefs upon, do not share those beliefs. At the same time, the sin police, somehow forget or purposefully fail to to arrest themselves, for their own sins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Their beginning was on shaky ground, but the way Mormons have ended up is what counts. People like their family attitude. Pretty sure the ruling on this bakery case is going to side with the Baker. A recent ruling on the Tshirt company sided with them with they refused to make shirts for a Gay pride parade. The ruling was based on Free Speech. A business has the right to refuse to make a message they disagree with.
    I believe that you are right. They are going to side with the baker. I also think that it is going to hurt the LGBT movement. They would have been better off just spreading the word and not using this person's services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Exactly. The bottom line is that if two other people walked into the bakery and place an identical order, and the baker is willing to serve one couple, but not the other, then it's discriminatory.

    If the baker doesn't want to stock same-sex cake figurines, that's fine. The baker can say "I'm glad to make the cake, but I don't stock same-sex figurines." That's permissible, because he'd give that answer to ANYONE who walked in asking for same-sex figurines. But if he has a product that he's willing to sell to some people, but not others, that's sheer discrimination. And legally allowing businesses to use religion to discriminate against customers is a dangerous precedent.

    After all, I'm sure that many would make a case for refusing to serve interracial couples, Muslims, etc., using their religious beliefs as a shield.
    He has baked other cakes for this same couple. He just refused to bake a rainbow wedding cake for their same sex marriage. He would bake them another cake but not one for that because he believes that his religion forbids it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Indeed, the Mormons had to endure decades of discrimination and persecution before becoming accepted. SD and AE are arguing that LGBT people should just put up with it for a while, under the guise of religious freedom.
    No, I am saying that the LGBT community should think about the fact that they are stomping on someone else's rights to receive the tolerance that demand. Not everyone will accept their lifestyle choice. If some baker tells you that he will not bake you a rainbow wedding cake for your special day, go elsewhere. Is it really necessary that this individual be forced to forget his religion and bow to you? Do you want the cake for your special day made by someone that hates your guts because you sued him to make that cake? This baker did not refuse to serve gay customers. He has made them other cakes in the past. He just would not make this cake. If I walk into a Jewish bakery, should I be able to demand that they make me a cake with a swastika? Should a black baker be compelled to make a cake for the local Klavern with hooded figures? The order was for a rainbow wedding cake for a same sex wedding. The baker feels that puts him at odds with his religious beliefs. He's made them other cakes, he just won't do this one. The result? They sued him. How will that play in the community if they win? What will the churchgoing friends of this man think next time they see a gay?

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    Another factor is that at the time of this incident, same sex marriage was not legal in Colorado.

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