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    He has baked other cakes for this same couple. He just refused to bake a rainbow wedding cake for their same sex marriage. He would bake them another cake but not one for that because he believes that his religion forbids it.
    Yet all he had to do was announce it in the form of a sign as a store policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chevy View Post
    I doubt a muslim bakery would be forced to bake a same sex cake ........
    Most Muslim-owned bakeries don't make wedding cakes. But speculation on their possible refusal is pointless; someone with legal standing would have to take a case to court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    He has baked other cakes for this same couple. He just refused to bake a rainbow wedding cake for their same sex marriage. He would bake them another cake but not one for that because he believes that his religion forbids it.
    Would he have made a rainbow wedding cake for someone else? If not, then the baker is in the clear. If rainbow-patterned wedding cakes aren't in the cake-catalog, you can't insist that a baker make something off-menu. But if he would have been willing to accept the same order from someone else - that's a problem. The baker would be making his decision not on the order - but on the customers.

    That's discrimination; regardless of whether you blame it on religion, personal opinion, or sheer assholery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Most Muslim-owned bakeries don't make wedding cakes. But speculation on their possible refusal is pointless; someone with legal standing would have to take a case to court.
    Go into a Muslim bakery and try to order a cake with the Star of David on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    ... This baker did not refuse to serve gay customers. He has made them other cakes in the past. He just would not make this cake.
    This is no different than a restaurant that has one menu for white people, and a shorter menu for black people.

    If I walk into a Jewish bakery, should I be able to demand that they make me a cake with a swastika? Should a black baker be compelled to make a cake for the local Klavern with hooded figures?
    If the Jewish bakery's cake-catalog includes cakes with swastikas, then the answer is yes. If they Jewish bakery's catalog doesn't include cakes with swastikas, that means they wouldn't prepare such a cake for you, or for me, or for anyone. If it doesn't matter who is placing the order, then it's not discrimination.

    The order was for a rainbow wedding cake for a same sex wedding. The baker feels that puts him at odds with his religious beliefs. He's made them other cakes, he just won't do this one. The result? They sued him. How will that play in the community if they win? What will the churchgoing friends of this man think next time they see a gay?
    The key question: Has the baker made rainbow-colored cakes for other people? If so, then his refusal is discriminatory. If rainbow-colored cakes aren't on his list, then there's no problem refusing. The litmus test is a simple one - if the identity of the customer matters, then it's discriminatory.




    FWIW, a "rainbow colored cake" sounds aesthetically disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Another factor is that at the time of this incident, same sex marriage was not legal in Colorado.
    the Colorado anti discrimination protection was for LBGT individuals not SSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Go into a Muslim bakery and try to order a cake with the Star of David on it.
    That's a lousy test. They could refuse the order with impunity by claiming that they wouldn't put a Star of David design on ANYONE'S cake. If the cake order is something they wouldn't make for ANY customer, then it's not discrimination.

    Now, if they were willing to make Star of David cakes for Muslims, but not Jews - then there'd be a legal problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, I am saying that the LGBT community should think about the fact that they are stomping on someone else's rights to receive the tolerance that demand. Not everyone will accept their lifestyle choice. If some baker tells you that he will not bake you a rainbow wedding cake for your special day, go elsewhere. Is it really necessary that this individual be forced to forget his religion and bow to you? Do you want the cake for your special day made by someone that hates your guts because you sued him to make that cake? This baker did not refuse to serve gay customers. He has made them other cakes in the past. He just would not make this cake. If I walk into a Jewish bakery, should I be able to demand that they make me a cake with a swastika? Should a black baker be compelled to make a cake for the local Klavern with hooded figures? The order was for a rainbow wedding cake for a same sex wedding. The baker feels that puts him at odds with his religious beliefs. He's made them other cakes, he just won't do this one. The result? They sued him. How will that play in the community if they win? What will the churchgoing friends of this man think next time they see a gay?
    The KKK is not a protected class. It is not against Colorado law to discriminate against nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Go into a Muslim bakery and try to order a cake with the Star of David on it.
    Does the cake have to be Kosher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The KKK is not a protected class. It is not against Colorado law to discriminate against nazis.
    ... To an extent. Let's say that you're a restaurant owner, and you know that Mr. Xxxxx is a member of the local Ku Klux Klan. Let's say this guy walks into your restaurant (dressed normally), and orders a meal. I don't think you can refuse to serve the customer - though I'm not sure about that.

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