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    Case of gay couple’s wedding cake heads to Supreme Court


    FILE - In this March 10, 2014 file photo, Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips cracks eggs into a cake batter mixer inside his store in Lakewood, Colo. The Supreme Court is taking on a new clash between gay rights and religion in a case about a wedding cake for a same-sex couple in Colorado. The justices said Monday, June 26, 2017, they will consider whether a baker who objects to same-sex marriage on religious grounds can refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. (Brennan Linsley, File/Associated Press)

    By Kristen Wyatt | AP June 26 at 5:06 PM
    DENVER — A Colorado clash between gay rights and religion started as an angry Facebook posting about a wedding cake but now has big implications for anti-discrimination laws in 22 states.
    Baker Jack Phillips is challenging a Colorado law that says he was wrong to have turned away a same-sex couple who wanted a cake to celebrate their 2012 wedding.
    The justices said Monday they will consider Phillips’ case, which could affect all states. Twenty-two states include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws that bar discrimination in public accommodations.
    Phillips argues that he turned away Charlie Craig and David Mullins not because they are gay, but because their wedding violated Phillips’ religious belief.
    After the couple was turned away in 2012, they complained about Masterpiece Cakeshop on Facebook, then filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. The state sided with the couple.

    “It solidified the right of our community to have a right to public accommodations, so future couples are not turned away from a business because of who they are,” Mullins said Monday.
    Phillips says that artisans cannot be compelled to produce works celebrating an event that violates the artist’s religion. A lawyer for Phillips pointed out that another Denver-area baker was not fined for declining to bake a cake with an anti-gay message.
    “The government in Colorado is picking and choosing which messages they’ll support and which artistic messages they’ll protect,” said Kristen Waggoner of the Alliance Defending Freedom, which took the baker’s case.
    The decision to take on the case reflects renewed energy among the high court’s conservative justices, whose ranks have recently been bolstered by the addition of Justice Neil Gorsuch.
    The Colorado case could settle challenges from at least a half-dozen other artists in the wedding industry who are challenging laws in other states requiring them to produce work for same-sex ceremonies.
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    This is an important case being ruled on by the Supreme Court. There has been many cases where owners of Christian businesses were fined and or sued for refusing to serve Gay weddings. A ruling from the Supreme Court could change the issue where a Christian owned business has the right to refuse business if it goes against their beliefs. The courts have accepted some beliefs and denied others, so the SC is going to rule on what beliefs are acceptable or if religious beliefs equal discrimination. Its been a hot issue that needs to be settled.

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    Good, let's hope they can stop the lefts war on Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Good, let's hope they can stop the lefts war on Christianity.
    this is a huge ruling, I knew the court would have to address this issue eventually. Past rulings have pegged religious beliefs as discrimination. Ruling should be soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Good, let's hope they can stop the lefts war on Christianity.
    There is no such war. You are making that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spookycolt View Post
    good, let's hope they can stop the lefts war on christianity.
    lolol

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    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....................."

    Is Christianity, just one of many establishments of religion? Which version of Christianity are we discussing?

    Does adultery violate their religious beliefs? How about greed? How about gluttony? Bearing false witness? Divorce? Are they asking ALL their customers about their sins, to see if they are doing stuff that goes against their religious beliefs? If not, why not? If not, how do they cherry pick what "beliefs" they'll "adhere to" in such a manner and which they won't? How are they treating all their customers equally and without discrimination, even UNDER their claimed religious beliefs?

    These will be questions justices will bring up and consider and they won't be finding people on a political website trying as hard as they can to ignore answering those questions, directly and honestly.

    The implications of allowing business owners, open to the public, to discriminate based on religious beliefs? How long will that last, when people REALLY begin to show Christians what it is like to be discriminated against, based on something like one's religion, the color of one's skin, who they love, gender or any superfluous characteristic that is based on beliefs, not on proven offensive harm, such as someone who does not pay their bill, someone who drives all other customers away, by their presence, etc. etc. Can Jews refuse to serve Christians? Muslims refuse to serve Christians? Can atheists organize to claim atheism is a religion, based on believing no gods exist and then refuse to serve anyone who believes in gods?

    One can only imagine the sudden founding of all sorts of "religions", formed around discriminatory "beliefs".

    Perhaps one of the most key questions will be, if one believes homosexuality goes against their religion, does that not refer to their religion, their belief, their own actions, not other people's actions? Since when does a Christian practice their beliefs for anyone else, but themselves? If homosexuality is against your beliefs, then don't engage in homosexual acts yourself. What someone else believes, especially if it is NOT what you believe, is not only NOT your business, but it is not for you to project your religion onto others, as if you were them and practicing for them, not just yourself. If one believes people of one religion can project their beliefs upon their customers and those customers must come under the practices and beliefs of others, how far can that go, NOT just in "favor" of Christians and Christianity, but AGAINST Christians and Christianity.

    Not sure how anyone needs to have it explained to them why a baker declining to write a discriminatory message on a cake would NOT be discriminatory, unless someone would like to make the absurd claim that it was discriminatory to NOT be discriminatory. Once again, to ask someone to write a discriminatory message is asking them to project one's discriminatory belief via their business. In the other, refusal to bake a cake based on who someone loves, is being discriminatory. Baking a cake for homosexuals is NOT forcing anyone to engage in homosexuality, but simply to bake a cake for homosexuals, the same as they bake cakes for customers who are adulterers, liars, divorced, greedy, gluttonous, all other forms of fornicators and the boastful/vain. To be consistent in their "beliefs", if President Trump walked in the door and asked them to bake a cake for him, they would have to refuse, based on his numerous sins, adultery being one listed as one of the Ten Commandments....others would include, bearing false witness (President Obama's place of birth, among other statements about others), greed, gluttony, divorce, lust and others.

    In addition, what "beliefs" are these bakers going by? Certainly they will be asked to produce the passages their beliefs are based on as well as be questioned as to the consistency of application of their beliefs. They may even be asked whether they believe in the passages regarding the following as well as things like Christ's response to the Pharisees who wanted him to condemn the adulteress (adultery is mentioned as one of the Ten Commandments, how about homosexuality? Would these bakers refuse to bake a cake for the POTUS?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_...en_in_adultery

    What does the following, ask of "believers"?

    43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

    48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


    -From the Book of Matthew Chapter V - KJV


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    There is no such war. You are making that up.
    You are to partisan to see it or admit it

    It's okay to decorate a police car with rainbow flags, but not Bible verses | Fox News

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What religion do rainbow flags represent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    There is no such war. You are making that up.
    Yeah, but, but, the War on Christmas!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Yeah, but, but, the War on Christmas!!!
    Yeah, "the war on Christmas"!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...an_New_England
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