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    That's a really long article. Care to share the part you are referring to?

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    Stuff it, limey. We CARE about life in America! That's why we have the best healthcare ANYWHERE. Eh...provided you can pay for it.
    And guns.

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    I've got mine what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    No, not bullshit. Terri's parents initiated government involvement to try overruling her husband's decision. The entire case was basically centered on who has authority to make end-of-life decisions, the spouse or the parents. I happen to agree such authority rests with the spouse, though I can understand her heartbroken parent's desire to intervene. It was a tough, and fortunately rare case.
    Here's the problem with that comparison. There is nothing to indicate that Connie Yates and Chris Gard are anything less than loving and capable parents. Michael Schiavo was living with and had fathered children with another woman. It's not reasonable to begrudge him companionship. If he wanted to move on after what happened to Terri then so be it. But he shouldn't have had spousal legal privilege if he was living a lifestyle that would invalidate a marriage. This is a guy who told a jury during his malpractice suit that he would use the settlement money to become a nurse to care for Terri for the rest of her life. Then after he received the settlement began the process of ending her life. There are plenty of reasons to think Michael Schiavo wasn't motivated by Terri's best interest. There are none to think that Connie Yates and Chris Gard don't have Charlie's best interests in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    I never claimed he was in pain. Your question assumed I did. He's a beating heart, wrapped in the wreckage of a child's body. Nobody's going to kill him, he'll be allowed to die.
    In the case of an infant that is known as negligent homicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    In the case of an infant that is known as negligent homicide.
    Nothing on British statutes comes close. The only negligence around here is yours, with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Why don't you discuss the topic and not the posters? Stop judging me. This is my opinion. They are selfish. This baby cannot live and he suffers seizures.
    Not only that, but take away resources for people that actually stand a chance. For people who always talk about "I don't want my tax money going to [insert group]" are perfectly fine with spending all these resources to artificially keep someone with no hope of any sort of meaningful life alive and in the end its solely for the parents that don't want to let go or are expecting some sort of "miracle" to happen.

    Anyway, its pointless talking rational with people that think this is a human being

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    This happens all the time with elderly parents and the grown children have to make the call. My father had a stroke and survived for 18 months getting worse and worse, finally on a respirator he was 91. My sister and I had vehement discussions, she wanted him kept alive, even though he was unconscious and unresponsive and on life support....crying like a baby I finally had to make the call......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    Bullshit. A bill was passed in Congress after a "diagnosis" that she was not brain dead by Frist from a doctored/edited video. Bush43 interrupted his never-ending vacation to rush to DC and sign the leg. The other Bush in FL also did his best to stop it. The autopsy proved them all wrong...most of her brain was not there, much less functioning.
    Get your facts right. Persistent vegetative state and brain death are two different things. Brain death is a complete loss of brain function, including involuntary functions. Terri Schiavo was not being kept alive by heroic measures. She was not on a ventilator or anything like that. All she needed to remain alive was food and water, like anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Get your facts right. Persistent vegetative state and brain death are two different things. Brain death is a complete loss of brain function, including involuntary functions. Terri Schiavo was not being kept alive by heroic measures. She was not on a ventilator or anything like that. All she needed to remain alive was food and water, like anyone else.
    How is living for years and years as a human vegetable a "life"?

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