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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Like Obama. The best used car salesman I ever saw.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    After his first weeks in office, his approval rate among Republicans of 86% is second only to that of George W Bush among all of the party's presidents elected in the last 65 years.
    Why Republicans' support for Donald Trump is sky-high - BBC News Looks like you are wrong about Republicans

    Then why does it keep dropping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    Nah, just uneducated
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM&t=26s Modern Educayshun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM-HJT8_esM equality

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOMpxsiUg2Q The Privilege Game
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    Trump won , deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Trump won , deal with it.
    Exactly. Too many people are unwilling to accept the results of this past election. Trump won. His supporters succeeded in electing a disgusting human being to the office of President of the United States. Blows me away that so many just can't accept that.

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    [...] If a sizable majority of people use the democratized abundance of real and not-real information that information technology provides simply to reinforce their biases and reflexive judgments, then that's a problem for everyone, no? I don't have a solution, but can we at least agree that there's a problem?
    So, no response then? Oh well…

    You know, in retrospect maybe I was too wide ranging with my critiques and examples. Maybe bringing up Presidential nomination practices was too confusing in a discussion ostensibly about filtering news. Too much free association… But it’s all of a piece, no? The changes we’ve seen in how news is generated, disseminated, and consumed are part and parcel of a broader trend toward delegitimizing traditional sources of authority, are they not? These changes are the product of that trend, in a way, and certainly now too are an engine helping to drive it. For better and for worse… One problem is, movers and shakers are forever learning more about how to manipulate and direct this trend to serve their own interests. Same as it ever was, I guess… Anyway, my main point was and is that making every person at least potentially a publisher, editor, and consumer of news has to date proven to have significant minuses as well as pluses. Of course we take the bad with the good, but what if the bad outweighs the good? What then?

    I mean, I would argue that the evidence so far indicates that blithely asserting that the solution to the problems that have arisen is simply to continue to make more information more readily available without any sort of editorial comment and trust everyday good people to sort the true from the false and the bad from the good and make informed decisions accordingly has a mixed track record at best. Maybe I’m impatient. Maybe I’m giving too much emphasis to the bad things I’ve seen. Maybe.

    But… C’mon, Donald J. Trump is our freakin’ President, fer chrissake. I don’t care how you slice it, there’s got to be something deeply dysfunctional about a society in which such a thing could come to pass.

    Yes, we’ve seen some positive social change facilitated by a society in which more voices are able to make themselves heard thanks to a more egalitarian popular media. There’s no denying that. We also have a past Presidency that was rendered much less effective than it might have been by Congressional intransigence sustained in part by racism-infused outrage fueled to a large degree by online (mis)information sharing. We have a major political party – the Republicans – who feel emboldened to transgress any number of heretofore taboo political acts in the name of partisan advantage. That too has been driven in large part by rabid partisans having a voice and an outsized influence that would have been much more difficult to attain and sustain absent the kind of propagandizing allowed by the web. Not incidentally, we now have a fair number of folks on all sides who believe that this sort of scorched earth policy is nothing but smart.

    Not for nothing, but surely we’ve all seen plenty of folks scrape the web to find “news” that supports their preferred, predetermined conclusions about everything from GMOs, to immigration, to climate change, to the war on drugs, to racism in America, to transgender issues, to vaccines, to issues of social justice, to animal rights, and on and on. Name the hot button topic and these days one can find a trove of online information and opinion both accurate and wildly inaccurate and tendentious. People choose to believe what they like. Having a universe of information at their fingertips hasn’t helped a lot of people make more informed judgments. On the contrary, it has only helped them grow and cement their prejudices. And clearly various powers-that-be have learned new, IT-driven techniques for inflaming, manipulating, and ultimately profiting from these prejudices. Plenty of movers and shakers have an interest in keeping their supporters misinformed and outraged.

    Hell, we’ve all seen a great many people turn up their noses at good information served to them on a silver platter – if that information contradicts or undermines their preferred beliefs or conclusions. We’ve seen people have their arguments completely eviscerated by unimpeachable facts and their response has been to disappear and resurface a short time later spouting the same old shit as if the previous discussion had never taken place. We’ve seen people have the contradictory, illogical, and/or ethically-inconsistent nature of their judgments dissected in exquisite detail and their only response has been some variation on “Nope!” I’ve seen it so often that I’m bone tired of it all. Sure, people have a right to their beliefs in some sense. But too many invoke that right as nothing more than a defense of willful ignorance and bias.

    So, yeah… What if the bad outweighs the good? What then?

    Cheers.

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