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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Suing scientists who do not agree with your political and social aspirations is wrong and hurts the scientific process. It hurts us all.

    You may well be a proponent of Political Correctness first and formost but that's a road best avoided.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

    Lysenkoism (Russian: Лысе́нковщина, tr. Lysenkovshchina) was a political campaign against genetics and science-based agriculture conducted by Trofim Lysenko, his followers and Soviet authorities. Lysenko served as the director of the Soviet Union's Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences. Lysenkoism began in the late 1920s and formally ended in 1964.

    The pseudo-scientific ideas of Lysenkoism assumed the heritability of acquired characteristics.[1] Lysenko's theory rejected Mendelian inheritance and the concept of the "gene"; it departed from Darwinian evolutionary theory by rejecting natural selection.[2] Proponents falsely claimed to have discovered, among many other things, that rye could transform into wheat and wheat into barley, that weeds could spontaneously transmute into food grains, and that "natural cooperation" was observed in nature as opposed to "natural selection".[2] Lysenkoism promised extraordinary advances in breeding and in agriculture that never came about.

    Joseph Stalin supported the campaign. More than 3,000 mainstream biologists were sent to prison, fired,[3] and others were executed as part of a campaign instigated by Lysenko to suppress his scientific opponents.[4][5][6][7] The president of the Agriculture Academy, Nikolai Vavilov, was sent to prison and died there, while scientific research in the field of genetics was effectively destroyed until the death of Stalin in 1953.[2] Research and teaching in the fields of neurophysiology, cell biology, and many other biological disciplines was also negatively affected or banned.[8]...
    You got anything this century?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Sounds awful!

    As the article is nearly a year old, what ultimately happened?
    They ignore the truth and try to shut down any business that doesn't accept the lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Considering all the discrimination and hate that they gay community still gets to this day, why would anyone choose to endure that??

    All the gay people I know, knew it by they time they reached jr. high if not sooner.
    good question. Some have changed and moved on after they found it wasn't worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    good question. Some have changed and moved on after they found it wasn't worth it.
    You mean that some have suppressed who they are after they found it wasn't worth it.

    Homosexuality - so long as it is acted upon between consenting adults - is a victimless act. So there is no reason any person should feel compelled to change or suppress who they are in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    So...I actually looked at the links from the Breitbart article, and this sentence is inaccurate. The link shows an article on the HRC website that notes 700 "faculty, staff, students, and alumni" are calling on JH to make a statement that this scholar's work is his own and does not represent the opinion of the university--which is actually implied for all research, but sometimes it's better to make the statement outright. HRC makes no threat.

    I see no reason to question this research, myself. I looked at the article's conclusions and it says that the current level of research doesn't hold to strict scientific standards, though it notes that there appear to be some biological predispositions, though they are not well understood.
    But courts still rules as though there is absolute proof, along with most of society. The fact there is threats towards Hopkins for revealing these facts is whats bothersome. Its become a political ideology rather then a scientific one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    There is no evidence people are born heterosexual either. So I don't see the point of this study. It's stupid.

    Besides, sexual attractions develop as a person matures anyway. So how would even go about proving something like that at birth? That would be like saying there is no evidence so and so liked the color orange at birth - therefore he doesn't naturally like the color orange, he just chooses to like it.

    It's an asinine argument.

    Homosexuals no more choose to be gay than you choose to be straight. It defies logic to think that anyone would willingly choose to be something that would bring them so much grief - and even death in certain countries.
    We have been trained to believe there is a difference.
    So where does the term “heterosexual” come from?

    “Heterosexual” was actually coined in a letter at the same time as the word “homosexual,” [in the mid-19thcentury], by an Austro-Hungarian journalist named Károly Mária Kertbeny. He created these words as part of his response to a piece of Prussian legislation that made same-sex erotic behavior illegal, even in cases where the identical act performed by a man and a woman would be considered legal. And he was one of a couple of people who did a lot of writing and campaigning and pamphleteering to try to change legal opinion on that matter. He coined the words “heterosexual” and “homosexual” in a really very clever bid to try to equalize same-sex and different-sex. His intent was to suggest that there are these two categories in which human beings could be sexual, that they were not part of a hierarchy, that they were just two different flavors of the same thing.

    But the term took quite a while to catch on. How did it spread?

    Thanks to psychiatrists in the 1880s and 1890s — a part of the medical profession that was deeply unscientific at that time. It meant that somebody with a medical degree and all of the authority it brings could stand up and start making value judgments using specialized medical vocabulary and pass it off as authoritative, and basically unquestionable.

    Psychiatry is responsible for creating the heterosexual in largely the same way that it is responsible for creating the various categories of sexual deviance that we are familiar with and recognize and define ourselves in opposition to. The invention of the heterosexual - Salon.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    They ignore the truth and try to shut down any business that doesn't accept the lies
    Sorry, that is very vague. What is "the truth"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    Jesus weeps at your ignorance.
    He did preach love thy neighbor and
    we're all God's children, didn't he?
    You are right, we are to love everyone and preach the Gospel of repentance . The whole issue is do we accept sin or reject it.

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