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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    This was the fear of LGBT community that this paper with Johns Hopkins' name used has given the paper a air of validity to embolden bigots to shit on the LGBT community.

    John Hopkins said it's ok...
    No John Hopkins published scientific facts and those that support Gays crapped all over the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    You only believe science when it appears to agree with you...yet when science says there was no world wide flood, science then is all the sudden wrong.
    Without hacking this thread and going onto a new subject , do you find these scientific findings troubling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    You mean that some have suppressed who they are after they found it wasn't worth it.

    Homosexuality - so long as it is acted upon between consenting adults - is a victimless act. So there is no reason any person should feel compelled to change or suppress who they are in this regard.
    I am not bothered at all what Gays do with their lives. I am just bothered what the courts make all of society do to accept their actions and fine them if they refuse to give support

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    We have been trained to believe there is a difference.
    So where does the term “heterosexual” come from?

    “Heterosexual” was actually coined in a letter at the same time as the word “homosexual,” [in the mid-19thcentury], by an Austro-Hungarian journalist named Károly Mária Kertbeny. He created these words as part of his response to a piece of Prussian legislation that made same-sex erotic behavior illegal, even in cases where the identical act performed by a man and a woman would be considered legal. And he was one of a couple of people who did a lot of writing and campaigning and pamphleteering to try to change legal opinion on that matter. He coined the words “heterosexual” and “homosexual” in a really very clever bid to try to equalize same-sex and different-sex. His intent was to suggest that there are these two categories in which human beings could be sexual, that they were not part of a hierarchy, that they were just two different flavors of the same thing.

    But the term took quite a while to catch on. How did it spread?

    Thanks to psychiatrists in the 1880s and 1890s — a part of the medical profession that was deeply unscientific at that time. It meant that somebody with a medical degree and all of the authority it brings could stand up and start making value judgments using specialized medical vocabulary and pass it off as authoritative, and basically unquestionable.

    Psychiatry is responsible for creating the heterosexual in largely the same way that it is responsible for creating the various categories of sexual deviance that we are familiar with and recognize and define ourselves in opposition to. The invention of the heterosexual - Salon.com
    Heterosexual is just a word to describe those who are sexually attracted to those of the opposite sex. Homosexual is just a word used to describe those who are sexually attracted to those of the same sex.

    What is the significance of where these words come from? That seems pointless and irrelevant to me.

    Homosexuality has been present in humanity since the beginning of known human existence. It occurs among animals as well. It's just part of life. It is not the result of some conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Sorry, that is very vague. What is "the truth"?
    There is no concrete proof that gays are born gay. Same with Transexuals. There is no Gay or Transexual Gene where a lab can do a test on a new born baby and tell us that its going to be Gay or Transexual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    No John Hopkins published scientific facts and those that support Gays crapped all over the facts.
    Johns Hopkins.

    When did they publish something? The study cited in the OP was published by The New Atlantis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    But courts still rules as though there is absolute proof, along with most of society.
    Did they make that part of their opinion? Is there talk of genetics in those opinions? Or is it about the change of attitude in our society toward LGBT people? That has more to do with straight people discovering that other people they know and/or respect are LGBT. It was people coming out throughout the 80's and 90's that delivered us to the political situation we're in now.

    This is much more about the fact that 1) gay people aren't weird--they are all over the place and we know them, and 2) private consensual behavior isn't anyone's business but their own. You can't believe in liberty if you don't believe that.

    This is much more about Loving than about genes.
    The fact there is threats towards Hopkins for revealing these facts is whats bothersome. Its become a political ideology rather then a scientific one.
    Well, again, Hopkins isn't doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I am not bothered at all what Gays do with their lives. I am just bothered what the courts make all of society do to accept their actions and fine them if they refuse to give support
    No court is forcing you to accept their actions. They are just saying you cannot discriminate against them.

    Homosexuals have the same rights as anyone else does - and that includes equal protection under the law.

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