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    Yale/PROF historian says Trump rise PERFECTLY mirrors frightening ascent of Nazi rise

    Not the first time we've read this and I feel damn sure, it won't be the last! What's the old adage, 'History repeats itself.' Or the even more salient adage would be, 'those who do NOT understand history are doomed to repeat it.' I feel sure there are many more fitting quotes that we will be reminded of over the next several months. No this is NOT hyperbole. It is very serious academic but very common sense consideration.

    We're in the early stages and we can pull back easily--now. I wonder what the turning point was in Europe--the no turning back point? Critical mass, the 'masses bought in to it'. Don't know. I doubt they had up to the day polling data back then.


    Yale historian warns Trump’s rise perfectly mirrors frightening ascent of Fascism and Nazis in the 1930s

    TOM BOGGIONI
    16 JUL 2017 AT 11:51 ET



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    According to a Yale historian, the rapid ascent of Donald Trump and all that he stands for, has historical echoes that perfectly mirror the rise of the Fascists and the Nazi’s in 1930’s Europe.

    Writing for The Guardian, Timothy Snyder warns that conservatives seem to be unaware that Trump is taking their governing philosophy into darker — and more violent — territory.
    According to Snyder, Trump’s showman style of populism is heavily influenced by White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon.

    “Stephen Bannon, who promises us new policies ‘as exciting as the 1930s,’ seems to want to return to that decade in order to undo those legacies,” Snyder writes. “He seems to have in mind a kleptocratic authoritarianism (hastened by deregulation and the dismantlement of the welfare state) that generates inequality, which can be channeled into a culture war (prepared for by Muslim bans and immigrant denunciation hotlines).”

    “Like fascists, Bannon imagines that history is a cycle in which national virtue must be defended from permanent enemies. He refers to fascist authors in defense of this understanding of the past.”


    “During the 2016 campaign, Trump spoke of ‘America first,’ which he knew was the name of political movement in the United States that opposed American participation in the second world war,” Snyder explains. “Among its leaders were nativists and Nazi apologists such as Charles Lindbergh. When Trump promised in his inaugural address that ‘from now on, it’s going to be America first’ he was answering a call across the decades from Lindbergh, who complained that ‘we lack leadership that places America first.’ American foreign and energy policies have been branded ‘America first.'”...


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    Yale needs to terminate this professor.

    1. Trump is a Capitalist
    2. NAZIs are Socialists

    OMG.. the IVY league has become the mongers of total ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yale needs to terminate this professor.

    1. Trump is a Capitalist
    2. NAZIs are Socialists

    OMG.. the IVY league has become the mongers of total ignorance.
    OMG, your ignorance is PROFOUND. Nazi Germany was an oligarchy, a plutocracy (which is often axiomatic). Who do you think built all the tanks, planes and did the BANKING FOR THEM?? In fact, classic. Use and then control the masses by manipulatioin, then allow the centralization of power with the 'few' CAPITALISTS 'financing' the takeover. Once it is amassed PHONY/RIGGED ELECTIONS will follow.

    Just like RUSSIA--think Putin. What 16 years with PUTIN's hand-picked 'in between' Medvedev for 4 years? Aren't those the numbers?

    (God, the more I type, the more reality is setting in).

    That's no degrees of separatoin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yale needs to terminate this professor.

    1. Trump is a Capitalist
    2. NAZIs are Socialists

    OMG.. the IVY league has become the mongers of total ignorance.
    Nazis were not socialists. Educate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yale needs to terminate this professor.

    1. Trump is a Capitalist
    2. NAZIs are Socialists

    OMG.. the IVY league has become the mongers of total ignorance.
    Never heard of academic freedom? Did you go college? If so, you should know what it is. (You should know about it even if you didn't). Unless of course it was a PRIVATE 'winger' type college? (I wonder if anyone allows academic freedom at Liberty U?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Nazis were not socialists. Educate yourself.
    NAZIs were socialists.. Educate yourself on what the Definition of soclialism is.

    NAZIs created a PRIVATE SECTOR/PUBLIC SECTOR COOPERATIVE ECONOMY


    My God, how the Schools have failed to educate ....

    socialism definition

    An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists.
    Platform of the National Socialist Party
    http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/naziprog.htm

    ** WE DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT UNDERTAKE THE OBLIGATION ABOVE ALL OF PROVIDING CITIZENS WITH ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND EARNING A LIVING.
    *** THE ACTIVITIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLASH WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN ITS CONFINES AND BE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL ...
    *** WE DEMAND THE NATIONALIZATION OF ALL BUSINESSES WHICH HAVE BEEN AMALGAMATED (INTO TRUSTS).
    *** WE DEMAND THAT THE STATE SHALL SHARE IN THE PFOFITS OF LARGE INDUSTRIES.
    *** WE DEMAND THAT PROVISION FOR THE AGED SHALL BE MADE ON A VERY GREATLY INCREASED SCALE.
    *** WE DEMAND A LAND-REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, THE PASSING OF A LAW FOR THE CONFISCATION OF LAND FOR COMMUNAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF INTEREST ON MORTGAGES, AND PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
    *** WE DEMAND AN AGRARIAN REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS; THE ENACTMENT OF A LAW TO EXPROPRIATE WITHOUT COMPENSATION THE OWNERS OF ANY LAND THAT MAY BE NEEDED FOR NATIONAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF GROUND RENTS; AND THE PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
    *** ...THE STATE SHALL ORGANIZE THOROUGHLY THE WHOLE CULTURAL SYSTEM OF THE NATION . . . THE CONCEPTION OF THE STATE IDEA (THE SCIENCE OF CITIZENSHIP) SHALL BE TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.* WE DEMAND THAT SPECIALLY TALENTED CHILDREN OF POOR PARENTS, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR STATION OR OCCUPATION, SHALL BE EDUCATED AT THE COST OF THE STATE.
    *** IT IS THE DUTY OF THE STATE TO HELP RAISE THE STANDARD OF THE NATION'S HEALTH BY PROVIDING MATERNITY WELFARE CENTRES, BY PROHIBITING JUVENILE LABOUR, BY INCREASING PHYSICAL FITNESS THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF COMPULSORY GAMES AND GYMNASTICS. . . .
    *** (WE) COMBAT THE MATERIALISTIC SPIRIT WITHIN AND OUTSIDE US, AND ARE CONVINCED THAT A PERMANENT RECOVERY OF OUR PEOPLE CAN ONLY PROCEED WITHIN ON THE FOUNDATION OF "THE COMMON GOOD BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL GOOD."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    NAZIs were socialists.. Educate yourself on what the Definition of soclialism is.

    NAZIs created a PRIVATE SECTOR/PUBLIC SECTOR COOPERATIVE ECONOMY


    My God, how the Schools have failed to educate ....



    Platform of the National Socialist Party


    ** WE DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT UNDERTAKE THE OBLIGATION ABOVE ALL OF PROVIDING CITIZENS WITH ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND EARNING A LIVING.
    *** THE ACTIVITIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLASH WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN ITS CONFINES AND BE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL ...
    *** WE DEMAND THE NATIONALIZATION OF ALL BUSINESSES WHICH HAVE BEEN AMALGAMATED (INTO TRUSTS).
    *** WE DEMAND THAT THE STATE SHALL SHARE IN THE PFOFITS OF LARGE INDUSTRIES.
    *** WE DEMAND THAT PROVISION FOR THE AGED SHALL BE MADE ON A VERY GREATLY INCREASED SCALE.
    *** WE DEMAND A LAND-REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, THE PASSING OF A LAW FOR THE CONFISCATION OF LAND FOR COMMUNAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF INTEREST ON MORTGAGES, AND PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
    *** WE DEMAND AN AGRARIAN REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS; THE ENACTMENT OF A LAW TO EXPROPRIATE WITHOUT COMPENSATION THE OWNERS OF ANY LAND THAT MAY BE NEEDED FOR NATIONAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF GROUND RENTS; AND THE PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
    *** ...THE STATE SHALL ORGANIZE THOROUGHLY THE WHOLE CULTURAL SYSTEM OF THE NATION . . . THE CONCEPTION OF THE STATE IDEA (THE SCIENCE OF CITIZENSHIP) SHALL BE TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.* WE DEMAND THAT SPECIALLY TALENTED CHILDREN OF POOR PARENTS, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR STATION OR OCCUPATION, SHALL BE EDUCATED AT THE COST OF THE STATE.
    *** IT IS THE DUTY OF THE STATE TO HELP RAISE THE STANDARD OF THE NATION'S HEALTH BY PROVIDING MATERNITY WELFARE CENTRES, BY PROHIBITING JUVENILE LABOUR, BY INCREASING PHYSICAL FITNESS THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF COMPULSORY GAMES AND GYMNASTICS. . . .
    *** (WE) COMBAT THE MATERIALISTIC SPIRIT WITHIN AND OUTSIDE US, AND ARE CONVINCED THAT A PERMANENT RECOVERY OF OUR PEOPLE CAN ONLY PROCEED WITHIN ON THE FOUNDATION OF "THE COMMON GOOD BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL GOOD."
    Whoa - all caps. I don't read e-screaming. TBFY
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Whoa - all caps. I don't read e-screaming. TBFY
    That is how it was written in the source I referenced

    National Socialism, Platform Planks of (should have included that in my original post forgot to reference it, that was my error)


    So they posted it in all caps, not me.


    I guess they also have to deal with the hard of reading. (Flashing back to Garrett Morris "news for the hard of hearing")


    Caps no caps does not change the fact NAZIs were Socialists (National Socialist to be exact)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    That is how it was written in the source I referenced

    National Socialism, Platform Planks of (should have included that in my original post forgot to reference it, that was my error)


    So they posted it in all caps, not me.


    I guess they also have to deal with the hard of reading. (Flashing back to Garrett Morris "news for the hard of hearing")


    Caps no caps does not change the fact NAZIs were Socialists (National Socialist to be exact)
    Um..no. They were fascists. Learn the difference. If you think the ideology of Marx was anything similar to the Nazi regime, well, I can't help you.
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