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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Really? Don't run from it. Explain where you think that you can get the seats that your party needs. Look at the seats that are up. Even a child can figure out that there is NO hope of the Democrats taking the Senate in 2018. Only someone completely ignorant of politics would make such a statement.
    Trumps approval will probably be in the teens and many repubs will vote for the democrat simply so the dumbshit can't do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Trumps approval will probably be in the teens and many repubs will vote for the democrat simply so the dumbshit can't do anything.
    Wishful thinking. You can get 1 in 5 Americans to say, do, or believe almost anything. When polled, they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Trumps approval will probably be in the teens and many repubs will vote for the democrat simply so the dumbshit can't do anything.
    Yes, that sounds plausible. Now tell me, did you think that Trump would run? Did you think that Trump would win the nomination? Did you think Trump would beat Clinton? How's your record on this, so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Trumps approval will probably be in the teens and many repubs will vote for the democrat simply so the dumbshit can't do anything.
    I agree with this:
    . Because Trump supporters are largely unconcerned with his personal antics, economic woes — not the Russia scandal or zany tweets — are what would doom Trump in public opinion.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.47fed09d03a5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Funny. I'm in that category but I don't think that's true of me. And I live in what is reputed to be a high tax state.
    Someone has a really bad tax accountant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Someone has a really bad tax accountant.
    The problem is that you don't want to believe that taxes are as bad as they are, but tens of millions of Americans live in households where the total taxes paid at all levels far exceeds what is normally the largest single expense beside taxes, the mortgage/rent/housing. Indeed, as much as I appreciate your indirect jibe, I can assure you this is the case even BEFORE any income tax is paid at all. Yes, I pay more in property tax and self employment tax alone than mortgage, nothing an accountant can do about those. And beyond that: gas tax, tolls, alcohol for those who drink, airport, tobacco for those who smoke, tax on utilities, telephone, vehicle registration......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You can push wages as high as you want. You can add labor expenses to employers such as Obamacare. You can screw employers any way that you want... Then you can wonder why the jobs leave your state and the country. Tell us about all the unemployed autoworkers in Ohio. Why aren't car makers lining up to build auto assembly plants in Ohio and Michigan? Why are the opting instead for Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina?
    Yep, I knew you'd agree with Trump and the Republicans to keep wages low.
    You've been thoroughly indoctrinated by "cheap labor Republicans" and the constant union bashing
    from con talk radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    The problem is that you don't want to believe that taxes are as bad as they are, but tens of millions of Americans live in households where the total taxes paid at all levels far exceeds what is normally the largest single expense beside taxes, the mortgage/rent/housing. Indeed, as much as I appreciate your indirect jibe, I can assure you this is the case even BEFORE any income tax is paid at all. Yes, I pay more in property tax and self employment tax alone than mortgage, nothing an accountant can do about those. And beyond that: gas tax, tolls, alcohol for those who drink, airport, tobacco for those who smoke, tax on utilities, telephone, vehicle registration......
    Well, you could move to Europe and pay more taxes
    or you could move to Somalia and pay no taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    Yep, I knew you'd agree with Trump and the Republicans to keep wages low.
    You've been thoroughly indoctrinated by "cheap labor Republicans" and the constant union bashing
    from con talk radio.
    Are jobs at lower wages better than no jobs? We arenít talking about minimum wage jobs here. We are talking about $20 an hour jobs in areas with very low cost of living.

    Of course those Democrats in the UAW who are unemployed arenít willing to work for those wages, so they get nothing.

    $20 per hour auto worker who is employed versed $35+ per hour auto worker who is not. Which is better?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The Democrats do not want the individual to ever be able to fish for himself or herself. He might be too successful, in which case they will take those additional fish to give to someone that didn't bother to fish. As long as you keep making excuses for failure, you will continue to see more of it.
    This is just a stupid right wing talking point.
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