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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Like every other industrialized country on earth, HC should be paid for via federal taxes......period.
    Wrong - I know liberals seem to think that the supply of money is infinite, but the sad truth is... it is not. Another sad truth adults tend to understand better than children is that sometimes life just isn't fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    My solution is Medicare for all. Have a UHC system like every other industrialized nation on earth. Now, what is yours?
    Return to a system where the average person and the self employed can afford health coverage. UHC is a catastrophe...it makes certain that everyone has coverage, yet no one has any real timely care...In fact many die waiting for care...or they suffer long periods between care visits and die eventually because the right care could not be administered at the appropriate time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    1/3 of all Californians are on Medicaid. This is unsustainable.

    One child, a $21-million medical bill: How a tiny number of patients poses a huge challenge for Medi-Cal - LA Times

    One child, a $21-million medical bill: How a tiny number of patients poses a huge challenge for Medi-Cal
    So don't treat? I'm not being provocative. I'm saying up front, we need to have the discussion. If we are not going to treat sick people who don't have insurance or resources, everyone needs to know. That is only fair. FIRST we start with the DOCTORS. It may well require a rewrite of their oath. We will need a rewrite of the rules for every hospital who in the past has used Medicaid to treat and could turn no one away. We need to tell NGO'S, non-profit hospitals--yes they have a BIG part in this as well. Nursing homes, rehab, convalescent centers who will no longer have Medicaid have to make the decisions about who and how they will accept patients or close down. We will need to tell every school district as school nurses will go away unless you fund them yourselves.

    Biggie! When sick babies or handicapped babies whose parents have no money or no/inadequate insurance are born, we need to make the decision to or not to treat and not resuscitate--to let die or nature take its course. In fact by logical extension we would not treat pregnant women who don't have the proper resources.

    ALL THE RULES FOR PALLIATIVE CARE will need to be written. In other words for those who will die and with no nursing homes or rehab for those without insurance, I would hope we would let them to die with some comfort (unless we are truly cruel). If they aren't owed they, then that discussion must be had as well!

    There is a great deal of discussion, adjustments and considerations for this. Let's state it, legislate it and then let congress start rewriting it's bill tomorrow. I'm absolutely serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Return to a system where the average person and the self employed can afford health coverage. UHC is a catastrophe...it makes certain that everyone has coverage, yet no one has any real timely care...In fact many die waiting for care.
    There is no "return to the system where the average person and self employed can afford health coverage" The system was already collapsing when the ACA was passed. Either come up with a valid solution or keep lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    There is no "return to the system where the average person and self employed can afford health coverage" The system was already collapsing when the ACA was passed. Either come up with a valid solution or keep lying.
    So you are saying Obamacare isn't a valid solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    So don't treat? I'm not being provocative. I'm saying up front, we need to have the discussion. If we are going to not treat sick people who don't have insurance or resources, everyone needs to know. That is only fair. FIRST we start with the DOCTORS. It may well require a rewrite of their oath. We will need rewrite the rules for every hospital who in the past has used Medicaid to treat and could turn no one away. We need to tell NGO'S, yes they have a part in this as well. Nursing homes, who will no longer have medicaid have to make the decisions about who and how they will accept patients or close down. We will need to tell every school district, school nurses will go away unless you fund them yourselves.

    Let's just just pull the plug, make the necessary adjustments, prepare for the outcomes and left EVERYONE know who/when/how they will receive healthcare and if not when they are on their own. These are the rules, these are the numbers, Americans are not owed healthcare and will no longer receive any government subsidies. DATE CERTAIN IS _____.

    Biggie! When sick babies, premi's whose parents have no money are born, we will have to write the rules for letting them die. In fact everyone whose life could be extended by any treatment no matter the age but at a cost will need specific guidelines on palliative care.

    There is a great deal of discussion, adjustments and considerations for this. Let's have the talk. Then let congress start rewriting it's bill tomorrow. I'm absolutely serious.
    They will not face the truth, they want to hide it behind bullshit and obfuscation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So you are saying Obamacare isn't a valid solution?
    The ACA needs to be overhauled and improved, or replaced entirely with a true UHC system. Trumpcare is a huge step backward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The ACA needs to be overhauled and improved, or replaced entirely with a true UHC system. Trumpcare is a huge step backward.
    And your brilliant plan from that link you keep spamming is to simply have the government pay for it which, as in this case, shows that doesn't work.

    Now you want to double down on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And your brilliant plan from that link you keep spamming is to simply have the government pay for it which, as in this case, shows that doesn't work.

    Now you want to double down on that.
    You have never mentioned your solution, now have you? See my sig for the Trumpcare solution, do you endorse that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    You have never mentioned your solution, now have you? See my sig for the Trumpcare solution, do you endorse that?
    I am neither a healthcare expert nor an economist, I pay people who know about these things to figure them out.

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