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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No letting them die is the UK and Canada way. if you get sick you are more likely to die in Canada and UK.

    The Reason is because of the very attitude found in the OP.. IT COST TOO MUCH TO KEEP THEM ALIVE so the Government refuses care and or treatments. Simple as that. Both are based on the Complete lives system, you are over 55 or under 10 years of age, your care is massively rationed
    So you are an advocate of poor people getting healthcare and being kept alive even if they have no money to pay for it? Welcome to Universal Health Care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Like every other industrialized country on earth, HC should be paid for via federal taxes......period.
    End of discussion. No matter what problem or argument you can think of, you'll find the response being played out in a fully functioning real life actual public healthcare system. The solutions are old news at this point.

    Of course, if people prefer to hang their hats on assumptions that fit whatever fits what their party tells them to think, there isn't much point in even talking to them. Real world examples demonstrate exactly how to deal with every single question you could have, but they don't want to look at that stuff. They'd rather just pretend it's an unsolvable problem and so we should all just forget universal healthcare.

    You get hurt or sick and you don't check with your insurer, you ask A DOCTOR what they recommend and how you should proceed. End of story, no fucking bullshit. How much would I pay for that? Well, I'd pay as much as I'm paying now, that's for sure. Seems like everywhere else people don't even pay nearly that much, though...

    Oh, never mind. Facts and reality are too difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No letting them die is the UK and Canada way. if you get sick you are more likely to die in Canada and UK.

    The Reason is because of the very attitude found in the OP.. IT COST TOO MUCH TO KEEP THEM ALIVE so the Government refuses care and or treatments. Simple as that. Both are based on the Complete lives system, you are over 55 or under 10 years of age, your care is massively rationed
    Arbitrary words, chosen seemingly at random, with zero information to support them. That's one way to argue, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Arbitrary words, chosen seemingly at random, with zero information to support them. That's one way to argue, I suppose.
    No it is not, the UK is letting a child die at this moment where the US is willing to treat him. OOPS.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires...icle-1.3314392

    wow.. US is capable to treat this child UK says KILL THE PIG KILL THE PIG.. (Lord of the flies reference)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No it is not, the UK is letting a child die at this moment where the US is willing to treat him. OOPS.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires...icle-1.3314392

    wow.. US is capable to treat this child UK says KILL THE PIG KILL THE PIG.. (Lord of the flies reference)
    Do you know what an anecdote is? Do you know what anecdotal evidence is? Do you know what data is? Do you understand the difference and how each can be accurately used in a logical argument?

    I mean, I know the answers to all of those questions so don't bother answering. I just want any chance observers to know exactly where you stumble pretty much constantly so they won't make the same mistakes.

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    So you are an advocate of poor people getting healthcare and being kept alive even if they have no money to pay for it? Welcome to Universal Health Care.
    Yes, This should be the decision of the patient and the Doctor not Government.

    Okay.. Do you want TRUMP deciding you live or die if you get sick? yes or no.

    That is why I like the Company I work for they perform billions in charity care every year.

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    Any way you slice it, there are always death panels.

    Whether it's triaging by some Medicaid panel or triaging by insurance companies, with lifetime caps on insurance or insurance limiting the number of procedures a doctor can order or giving doctors other incentives not to treat or insurance companies running out of money or premiums becoming so high that many people are priced out.

    The question becomes who do you trust to be on the death panel.

    Denying that they exist, or pretending that they only exist with the other party's plans, is putting your head in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes, This should be the decision of the patient and the Doctor not Government.

    Okay.. Do you want TRUMP deciding you live or die if you get sick? yes or no.

    That is why I like the Company I work for they perform billions in charity care every year.

    With private programs the doctors' hands are often tied by the insurance companies.

    Naturally many would prefer medical professionals to make the decisions, even ones hired by government, rather than CEO's who care more about their bottom line than about treating as many people as they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    With private programs the doctors' hands are often tied by the insurance companies.

    Naturally many would prefer medical professionals to make the decisions, even ones hired by government, rather than CEO's who care more about their bottom line than about treating as many people as they can.
    Nuh-uh! Look here's an example of one British patient being denied by the Brits where the U.S. might still treat him! See! That proves everything is always better here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Do you know what an anecdote is? Do you know what anecdotal evidence is? Do you know what data is? Do you understand the difference and how each can be accurately used in a logical argument?

    I mean, I know the answers to all of those questions so don't bother answering. I just want any chance observers to know exactly where you stumble pretty much constantly so they won't make the same mistakes.

    Carry on.
    yes I do I also know that 50,000 people every year come to the US from Canada to receive care the Canadian NHS refused, or delayed to give.

    about 1-2000 come to Nashville.. we see about 400 every year

    Also the Canadian citizens had to sue the government for the right to purchase US STYLE private insurance to because of the failures of the NHS

    Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban - Canada - CBC News

    The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Thursday that the Quebec government cannot prevent people from paying for private insurance for health-care procedures covered under medicare.
    In a 4-3 decision, the panel of seven justices said banning private insurance for a list of services ranging from MRI tests to cataract surgery was unconstitutional under the Quebec Charter of Rights, given that the public system has failed to guarantee patients access to those services in a timely way.
    As a result of delays in receiving tests and surgeries, patients have suffered and even died in some cases, justices Beverley McLachlin, Jack Major, Michel Bastarache and Marie Deschamps found for the majority.

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