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    Is Mike Pence the “Deep State” That Trump Fears?

    This piece makes some interesting points. One of which is that Pence either may be in up to his neck in everything involving the Trump campaign and Russia or at the very least he'd be so damaged by his association with Trump that I'm not sure he can be elected president in his own right and if Trump resigned or was impeached and convicted by the Senate, I think Pence would be so damaged that he can't be very effective. Many have pointed out that people like myself would dislike Pence even more that Trump because of how conservative he is. But I have always pointed out what this piece does.

    Most recently, he issued a laughably defensive and equally nonspecific official condemnation of a New York Times article in which dozens of Republican sources said influential party actors, including Pence, “have begun what amounts to a shadow campaign for 2020—as if the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue weren’t involved.” The “sheer disarray surrounding this presidency,” the report said, has “prompted Republican officeholders to take political steps unheard-of so soon into a new administration.”

    Protesting too much, Pence called the article “disgraceful and offensive to me, my family, and our entire team.” But in truth Trump’s failure as president has been so abject, and his exposure to collapse so acute, that Pence would be practically derelict not to undertake at least some preparation for an abrupt transfer of power.


    We don’t need to ask whether Pence is making contingency plans, because he quite plainly is. A better question would be whether he’s taking active steps to turn his self-serving motives for joining the ticket into a self-fulfilling prophecy. And the best question is whether Pence is too tainted by his obsequious enabling of Trump to ever enjoy the spoils of Trump’s demise.
    The most recent historical analogue, Gerald Ford, served in a care-taking capacity after President Richard Nixon’s resignation, before losing to Jimmy Carter two years later. But Ford, unlike Pence, could credibly disclaim complicity in the controversies that brought Nixon down. Ford wasn’t elected vice president, but was elevated to the position after Nixon’s actual running mate, Spiro Agnew, was driven from office by scandals unrelated to Watergate. Pence may or may not be Agnew, but he isn’t Ford either, and if he inherits the presidency from a beleaguered Trump, he won’t ever be able to escape Trump’s fetid aroma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This piece makes some interesting points. One of which is that Pence either may be in up to his neck in everything involving the Trump campaign and Russia or at the very least he'd be so damaged by his association with Trump that I'm not sure he can be elected president in his own right...
    Mike Pence was unelectable prior to being selected as Trump's running mate. I sincerely doubt that he could even carry his own state in a presidential primary election. His unpopularity was the driving force behind his decision to accept the VP offer. Regarding his own political career, he really had no other option. If the Trump campaign is found to have conspired with Russia to affect the outcome of the 2016 election, then there is no way that Trump's own running mate will escape conspiracy charges. They didn't keep him locked away in a sound proof booth while they operated their campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Mike Pence was unelectable prior to being selected as Trump's running mate. I sincerely doubt that he could even carry his own state in a presidential primary election. His unpopularity was the driving force behind his decision to accept the VP offer. Regarding his own political career, he really had no other option. If the Trump campaign is found to have conspired with Russia to affect the outcome of the 2016 election, then there is no way that Trump's own running mate will escape conspiracy charges. They didn't keep him locked away in a sound proof booth while they operated their campaign.
    Exactly.
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    I still think that if the GOP is wise enough to know when it's heading the wrong direction, it is better to turn around sooner than later. Who wants to drive 175 miles in the wrong direction down the highway? If Trump is out in 2017 or even early 2018, the party can get its shit together and make some moves to redeem itself prior to 2020, though I think 2018 there will be some consequences in the polls.

    You cannot hitch your wagon to lunatic Donald Trump and think that's okay. If they double down on this incompetent embarrassing person they will have a lot of splaining to do for a long time. It doesn't seem like a wise strategy to me.
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    As a resident of Indiana and knowing Pence both Nightswimmer and Babba are spot on.

    I will add he is probably the dumbest politician I have ever known. He has to be to not see what a clown Trump is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    As a resident of Indiana and knowing Pence both Nightswimmer and Babba are spot on.

    I will add he is probably the dumbest politician I have ever known. He has to be to not see what a clown Trump is.
    He probably realizes what Trump is but because his career was slipping into the dumps he probably thought it was a way to remedy that. He miscalculated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Mike Pence was unelectable prior to being selected as Trump's running mate. I sincerely doubt that he could even carry his own state in a presidential primary election. His unpopularity was the driving force behind his decision to accept the VP offer. Regarding his own political career, he really had no other option. If the Trump campaign is found to have conspired with Russia to affect the outcome of the 2016 election, then there is no way that Trump's own running mate will escape conspiracy charges. They didn't keep him locked away in a sound proof booth while they operated their campaign.
    Pence is a rabid Evangelical. Indiana was glad to be rid of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    He probably realizes what Trump is but because his career was slipping into the dumps he probably thought it was a way to remedy that. He miscalculated.
    Not so sure if I would give him the benefit of the doubt there. Like I said he's pretty dense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    He probably realizes what Trump is but because his career was slipping into the dumps he probably thought it was a way to remedy that. He miscalculated.
    I suspect that Pence never believed that Trump could possibly win when he accepted the VP position.

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    How has Trump failed as president?

    These leftist articles keep pushing this hoping the more they say it that it will become true.

    I think he's been great.

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