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    Someone here recently said something that was interesting to me and it brings up a good point:

    Why can't these protesters, protest against something that is inclusive to all...such as healthcare. If we put this much passion into healthcare, we would make a difference to everyone.
    Point well made.

    Protesting history; making it disappear, is so like Stalin. What are we if we let this happen? If communities demand these statues be removed, they should at least be put in museums. History matters. It shows us we're better than the past. What the democrats (KKK) did to our country can't be forgotten. We can't forget the violent racism of Southern Democrats after the Civil War.

    But none of this is uncomplicated. The South was called the Confederacy since pretty much the end of the Revolutionary War. The western half of the country was largely unsettled, the North was mostly industrial, the South, food, textiles, tobacco. The South was very rich, despite the fact that most people were just small farmers and townies. In fact (and you can look it up) many of the big Southern Plantations were owned by northerners.

    The Civil War was about economics, money, and regional power. The slave issue was brought in later as a way to revitalize the northern cause, as it was losing the war at that time. And it gave the war a moral cause. But northerners didn't want slave refugees coming in and taking space, resources, and jobs. There were riots up north over that (it reminds me of the illegal immigrant problem).

    But back to the first point. I agree; people should be protesting for better health insurance, lower taxes, etc., not spoiling for a fight over a historical statue. Those statues were put up in the first place to honor men who served our country, not to glorify slavery or racism. And let's face it, people like that are professional agitators, anarchists, and so forth. They want violence and chaos and they seek it or manufacture it. It doesn't help anyone for that sort of thing to go on, it only encourages violence and hate.

    I'm glad they caught the guy. He's a horrible evil person who deserves the death penalty for what he did. I've heard his license plate was from Ohio.
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    What is the difference between what the Taliban did and what the left is doing?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Someone here recently said something that was interesting to me and it brings up a good point:



    Point well made.

    Protesting history; making it disappear, is so like Stalin. What are we if we let this happen? If communities demand these statues be removed, they should at least be put in museums. History matters. It shows us we're better than the past. What the democrats (KKK) did to our country can't be forgotten. We can't forget the violent racism of Southern Democrats after the Civil War.

    But none of this is uncomplicated. The South was called the Confederacy since pretty much the end of the Revolutionary War. The western half of the country was largely unsettled, the North was mostly industrial, the South, food, textiles, tobacco. The South was very rich, despite the fact that most people were just small farmers and townies. In fact (and you can look it up) many of the big Southern Plantations were owned by northerners.

    The Civil War was about economics, money, and regional power. The slave issue was brought in later as a way to revitalize the northern cause, as it was losing the war at that time. And it gave the war a moral cause. But northerners didn't want slave refugees coming in and taking space, resources, and jobs. There were riots up north over that (it reminds me of the illegal immigrant problem).

    But back to the first point. I agree; people should be protesting for better health insurance, lower taxes, etc., not spoiling for a fight over a historical statue. Those statues were put up in the first place to honor men who served our country, not to glorify slavery or racism. And let's face it, people like that are professional agitators, anarchists, and so forth. They want violence and chaos and they seek it or manufacture it. It doesn't help anyone for that sort of thing to go on, it only encourages violence and hate.

    I'm glad they caught the guy. He's a horrible evil person who deserves the death penalty for what he did. I've heard his license plate was from Ohio.
    You sound just like a Trump supporter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    What is the difference between what the Taliban did and what the left is doing?



    SMH, laughing at you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Someone here recently said something that was interesting to me and it brings up a good point:



    Point well made.

    Protesting history; making it disappear, is so like Stalin. What are we if we let this happen? If communities demand these statues be removed, they should at least be put in museums. History matters. It shows us we're better than the past. What the democrats (KKK) did to our country can't be forgotten. We can't forget the violent racism of Southern Democrats after the Civil War.

    But none of this is uncomplicated. The South was called the Confederacy since pretty much the end of the Revolutionary War. The western half of the country was largely unsettled, the North was mostly industrial, the South, food, textiles, tobacco. The South was very rich, despite the fact that most people were just small farmers and townies. In fact (and you can look it up) many of the big Southern Plantations were owned by northerners.

    The Civil War was about economics, money, and regional power. The slave issue was brought in later as a way to revitalize the northern cause, as it was losing the war at that time. And it gave the war a moral cause. But northerners didn't want slave refugees coming in and taking space, resources, and jobs. There were riots up north over that (it reminds me of the illegal immigrant problem).

    But back to the first point. I agree; people should be protesting for better health insurance, lower taxes, etc., not spoiling for a fight over a historical statue. Those statues were put up in the first place to honor men who served our country, not to glorify slavery or racism. And let's face it, people like that are professional agitators, anarchists, and so forth. They want violence and chaos and they seek it or manufacture it. It doesn't help anyone for that sort of thing to go on, it only encourages violence and hate.

    I'm glad they caught the guy. He's a horrible evil person who deserves the death penalty for what he did. I've heard his license plate was from Ohio.
    Link for your claim that "The South was called the Confederacy since pretty much the end of the Revolutionary War."

    And Robert E. Lee was NOT 'serving our country'. He had REBELLED against the lawful and legitimate government of this country. Which makes him, technically, a TRAITOR. You are VERY confused on this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    You sound just like a Trump supporter.
    I AM a Trump supporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    What is the difference between what the Taliban did and what the left is doing?

    OK, John, SOMEONE needs to call you on your BULLSHIT.

    Name ONE Confederate statue that has been SMASHED, like the Taliban did to those world heritage statues of the Buddha?

    Just one will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Link for your claim that "The South was called the Confederacy since pretty much the end of the Revolutionary War."
    Look it up yourself. I said that. Are you lazy?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    And Robert E. Lee was NOT 'serving our country'. He had REBELLED against the lawful and legitimate government of this country. Which makes him, technically, a TRAITOR. You are VERY confused on this point.
    The southern states had a right to secede under the Constitution. That right exists to this day, for any state. California is buzzing about it, did you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Those statues were put up in the first place to honor men who served our country, not to glorify slavery or racism.
    Why were they erected during the civil rights movement as a part of the racist resistance to that movement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger View Post
    Look it up yourself. I said that. Are you lazy?

    The southern states had a right to secede under the Constitution. That right exists to this day, for any state. California is buzzing about it, did you know?
    No, there is no 'right to secede'. Sorry. The Supreme Court has been very clear on this. And I'm calling BULLSHIT on your other claim, that the term 'the Confederacy' had been in use since the end of the Revolutionary War. BULLSHIT.

    It is up to YOU to defend your own bullshit claims. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
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