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    Ian:

    Thank you for your response. I pretty much understand most of your response, but some of it will require an effort by me to become a bit more educated on the topic. However, I certainly understand your point regarding the influence of translation. I do know that the Christian Bible has multiple translations available. I was raised Protestant and my wife, Catholic, so I have observed that her Catholic Bible has a couple of extra books not in the Protestant Bible on which I was raised.

    I again, thank you for responding. Now when I hear someone suggest--but the Old Testament says--I have a more valid, appropriate perception of such statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Thank you for your response. I pretty much understand most of your response, but some of it will require an effort by me to become a bit more educated on the topic. However, I certainly understand your point regarding the influence of translation. I do know that the Christian Bible has multiple translations available.
    You are welcome. If I can answer other questions, please feel free (whether on the board or via PM).

    Naturally, it would only be the Tanakh with which I would take issue with translations. The New Testament has no status in Judaism to begin with (and was originally written in Greek anyway, if memory serves).

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    I was raised Protestant and my wife, Catholic, so I have observed that her Catholic Bible has a couple of extra books not in the Protestant Bible on which I was raised.
    Part of the issue is how the books are counted to begin with, because there are different ways to count. You could have a Tanakh counting as few as 20 books, or as many as 39, without changing any of the content. Naturally the New Testament has its own count of books. Catholic Bibles, however, include some of the apocryphal literature that neither Jews nor Protestants include. Also, the books are grouped differently, even apart from the additional books.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Now when I hear someone suggest--but the Old Testament says--I have a more valid, appropriate perception of such statement.
    In most cases, of course, there can be accurate translations that are misinterpreted, or if mistranslated the person may have no idea that that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I neither played word games nor am having a meltdown. You melted down a long time ago when your posts devolved into personal attacks instead of dealing with the subject matter, which you appear incapable of doing.
    You have a melt down if I say "Jesus was born in Bethlehem"

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    You have a melt down if I say "Jesus was born in Bethlehem"
    Your statement brings another question that I have. It is my perception or understanding that people of the time were identified by the locale of their birth. If my perception is correct, then permit me to ask that question. Why is Jesus referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth" and not "Jesus of Bethlehem"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Your statement brings another question that I have. It is my perception or understanding that people of the time were identified by the locale of their birth. If my perception is correct, then permit me to ask that question. Why is Jesus referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth" and not "Jesus of Bethlehem"?
    Born in Bethlehem and grew up in Nazareth.Where Did Jesus Grow Up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Born in Bethlehem and grew up in Nazareth.Where Did Jesus Grow Up?
    Then my perception that such identification was based on the locale of birth is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    If you are right that everyone was healed by assertion (which was over 200 request) , don't you think that is a little beyond coincidental?
    You are assuming that everyone's condition was exactly the same and they were healed each in the exact same way. They could have been, and almost certainly were, healed for numerous reasons, each one entirely different.

    You can't say they were healed by a supernatural puppet master because you can't prove a supernatural puppet master exists. In order for something or someone to do something in material reality, there must be evidence that someone or something exists in material reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Would you like a tissue and a big hug LOL
    This is a type of psychological manipulation where you test your opponent for his soft spots. You know you're a dishonest liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Then my perception that such identification was based on the locale of birth is incorrect.
    No, the Bible authors interpolated the trip to Bethlehem for the census of Quirinius (6 AD) in order to agree with prophecy. Jesus and Mary did not have to go to Bethlehem for a census. A Roman census required the details of where one lived and it is ludicrous to state that they had to go to their birthplace to comply. Can you imagine the disruption to the state if everyone had to return to their birthplace for a census? Furthermore, the information gathered would be worthless as taxation would be surveyed upon contemporary population figures in a given area, thus rendering the birthplace irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I don't play word games for attention. When someone else does, I laugh at that childish behavior and offer a tissue and a hug .
    That is correct. How can you play word games when you're verbally retarded? You don't know how to play word games. You're just a liar.

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