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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    No, in science, you also need a primary source. We know dinosaurs existed because we can actually hold their bones in our own hands and analyze them. We do not know Jesus rose from the dead, because we have zero evidence it happened, or anything like it has ever happened.

    There are ancient stories that contradict Christianity that are older and every bit as earnest. We have no evidence telling us why the Bible is a fact but all other stories from that time are not.
    Aboutenough is making the same Circular argument: Jesus Christ was resurrected because he did so in the Christian Gospels, and the Christian Gospels say he was resurrected in the Christian Gospels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That makes no sense (as usual). Science deals with observable facts and provable hypotheses. Religion deals with faith and beliefs. The rules are different because they are different things, and religious beliefs are not susceptible to proof.
    Philosophers can't measure the blood density of reptiles and zoologists can't study issues concerning morality and the meaning of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    I personally have long seen in these kinds of ludicrous arguments an attempt to de-legitimize science itself, by blurring the lines between science and religion. This joker is part of an effort to get prayer returned to schools, to instate a brand of "learning" in which religious people can dictate the truth to be whatever they want to believe, and then mandate that this be taught in schools. These people on this very board did not initially openly admit that they sought to destroy the separate of church and state, but as you can see, they now openly admit that they seek to destroy what is possibly the most important pillar of the Constitution, the commitment to Enlightened ideals, to reality and truth.

    When they first showed up here, many years ago, they pretended to love the U.S.A. but grudgingly revealed that they favor sharia law over the Constitution, as long as they get to pick the source, of course.

    I can't imagine how any self-respecting human can knowingly advocate a return to the Dark Ages. I can only assume these people are too simple-minded to understand what they are doing.
    They're called Christian Dominionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Social media isn't private.
    It isn't in the least bit private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, I do not believe there is a "devil." In Judaism there is a yetzer ra, evil inclination, but it (like its opposite, the yetzer tov) is not a distinct entity, but rather is part of us. If your mind gets twisted, it is because you do the twisting with the choices you make.

    Not idolatry, just wrong.
    Of course there isn't a devil. Like everything else in our religions he is a symbol, a metaphor. What the devil represents is most definitely real, though, and works just like "the devil" does in our fairy tales.

    How is believing that the Bible is literally the factual, actual word of God not idolatry? The preacher holds it up and the congregation shudders as they feel its power. Anything attributable to the Bible is infallible, the answers are all right there. The point is, you take an object, imbue it with divinity, and then project your own bullshit onto it, generally without a lot of self-awareness. That object will tell you whatever you want to believe, and voila! Your beliefs are transformed into unquestionable, infallible, unstoppable divine magic, and anything and everything you do in their service is blessed. Next thing you know you're bombing an abortion clinic, killing innocent people walking by and it's okay, because God wants this. <shudder>

    My favorite version of the warning against idolatry, or whatever we want to call it, is, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    The witnesses are related to us via secondary sources from unknown authors. No-one believes zombies can exist, but you accept this in Jesus based upon the weakest of evidence.



    Incorrect as I've already explained. It's a shame you lack the education to comprehend it.



    We have rocks that bear no relationship to terrestrial rocks. We have footage evincing the physics in low gravity that could not be replicated on Earth even with special effects of 1969.



    So it is said in texts that have no known authors who relate an event that is irrational and absurd. See the difference? Going to the moon is feasible, zombies aren't.
    so being a disciple to Christ and an eyewitness to everyone of his actions doesn't count? Having a few moon rocks is proof a man landed on the moon with no witnesses? Good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That makes no sense (as usual). Science deals with observable facts and provable hypotheses. Religion deals with faith and beliefs. The rules are different because they are different things, and religious beliefs are not susceptible to proof.
    Christ dying on the cross is a historical fact, not a belief. Even the Jews admitted his tomb was empty. Are you going to deny that as well because its not written in your Torah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, I do not believe there is a "devil." In Judaism there is a yetzer ra, evil inclination, but it (like its opposite, the yetzer tov) is not a distinct entity, but rather is part of us. If your mind gets twisted, it is because you do the twisting with the choices you make.


    Not idolatry, just wrong.
    Who tempted Adam and Eve, themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Witness evidence is deeply unreliable, even if we could be sure that the reports were not tainted, we know they were edited. None of the records are contemporary, and all are hearsay anyway.
    Nothing was edited, we have early documents prior to 200AD. You just can't stand the evidence, so making up a tall tale is your idea of changing the facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Just because evidence can be manipulated doesn't mean it actually was.
    True, but its interesting that no witnesses were on the moon watching the first man land on the moon and you accept that as fact, but over 500 witnesses saw Christ after he raised from the dead and that's not enough evidence.

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