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    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) continues to face backlash for sharing daily Bible verses on Twitter, and this time, the largest atheist organization in America is trying to hit the Christian senator where it hurts.


    A portion of the letter from the foundation to Rubio read:
    We protect the constitutional principle of separation between state and church, and educate the public on matters relating to nontheism.
    We understand that you have been tweeting bible verses from @MarcoRubio to nearly three million followers. It appears that you began tweeting the bible in mid-May and have been doing so regularly ever since. This is not an errant bible verse or two, but more than 60 bible verses in three months. That’s enough verses to tweet the entire Book of Jude. Twice. One of the most recent verses, tweeted during the eclipse, appears to suggest that the eclipse is the work of god, quoting Exodus 10:21.1. …
    Of course, we have no issue with people reading and discussing the bible. The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover. But it is not for the government in our secular republic to promote one religious book over others or to promote religion over nonreligion.
    Doing so violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. …
    The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based atheist group, on Tuesday attacked Rubio’s outpouring of love for God, Jesus, and the Bible in an open letter, and called for the senator to stop sharing his faith in a public manner. The organization has publicly condemned Rubio for sharing Bible verses on his Twitter page.
    To remedy Rubio’s “infractions,” the group suggested one of two options: Rubio should either stop quoting Scripture on his personal Twitter account or purge all mentions of the fact that he holds a publicly elected office as a U.S. senator on the same Twitter page.https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...re-dead-wrong/

    This is the problem with what the FFRF wants, which is to limit freedom of speech. They have been doing this for a very long time with teachers, football coaches, basically people that work for the government. Rubio is a Senator that would be very hard to take down for the FFRF, so you notice no threats of a lawsuit. Their intentions are very clear here. Stop free speech so they can control what people hear. The FFRF doesn't want the Free Exercise of the First Amendment to happen, so they speak of the preventions of government establishing a religion. Rubio is just sharing Bible verses with people and its not harming anyone. The more the FFRF keeps this up it becomes clear what their intentions are. They are losing this war on religion because they are the only ones that care.
    Oh bull shit! you don't know what the hell you are talking about!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I really believe Rubio is sharing these Bible verses for personal reasons to encourage others. I don't see him starting a Theocracy anytime soon
    Believing something is the antithesis of knowing it. You don't have any evidence proving Rubio was doing that on his personal Twitter page exclusively. If he was posting the Holy Bible verses on his public page, then I can totally understand why the FFRF would complain. He is an elected official that swore to uphold the duties delegated to him by the secular U.S. Constitution. By quoting bible verses, he is starting to endorse the Holy Bible and it is only a matter of time before he starts legislating from the Holy Bible. In other words, he is mixing his religion with his duties as an elected official.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Oh bull shit! you don't know what the hell you are talking about!
    He makes the same Non sequiturs:

    Premise 1: The FFRF complain about a politician mixing religion in government.
    Premise 2: It is against religious freedoms for the government to endorse religion.
    Premise 3: Marco Rubio is an elected politician that serves in government.
    Premise 4: Mark Rubio is mixing religion with government.
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    Conclusion: The FFRF are against religious freedoms.

    It does not follow.
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    What else is Sen. Rubio to tweet about? If he didn't have god to tweet about, he'd have nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) continues to face backlash for sharing daily Bible verses on Twitter, and this time, the largest atheist organization in America is trying to hit the Christian senator where it hurts.


    A portion of the letter from the foundation to Rubio read:
    We protect the constitutional principle of separation between state and church, and educate the public on matters relating to nontheism.
    We understand that you have been tweeting bible verses from @MarcoRubio to nearly three million followers. It appears that you began tweeting the bible in mid-May and have been doing so regularly ever since. This is not an errant bible verse or two, but more than 60 bible verses in three months. That’s enough verses to tweet the entire Book of Jude. Twice. One of the most recent verses, tweeted during the eclipse, appears to suggest that the eclipse is the work of god, quoting Exodus 10:21.1. …
    Of course, we have no issue with people reading and discussing the bible. The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover. But it is not for the government in our secular republic to promote one religious book over others or to promote religion over nonreligion.
    Doing so violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. …
    The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based atheist group, on Tuesday attacked Rubio’s outpouring of love for God, Jesus, and the Bible in an open letter, and called for the senator to stop sharing his faith in a public manner. The organization has publicly condemned Rubio for sharing Bible verses on his Twitter page.
    To remedy Rubio’s “infractions,” the group suggested one of two options: Rubio should either stop quoting Scripture on his personal Twitter account or purge all mentions of the fact that he holds a publicly elected office as a U.S. senator on the same Twitter page.https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...re-dead-wrong/

    This is the problem with what the FFRF wants, which is to limit freedom of speech. They have been doing this for a very long time with teachers, football coaches, basically people that work for the government. Rubio is a Senator that would be very hard to take down for the FFRF, so you notice no threats of a lawsuit. Their intentions are very clear here. Stop free speech so they can control what people hear. The FFRF doesn't want the Free Exercise of the First Amendment to happen, so they speak of the preventions of government establishing a religion. Rubio is just sharing Bible verses with people and its not harming anyone. The more the FFRF keeps this up it becomes clear what their intentions are. They are losing this war on religion because they are the only ones that care.
    I don't get why you're upset.

    Wasn't it you rightwingers who defended the white supremacists and neo-nazis on the basis of "free speech"
    while the rest of the world cringed over your ignorance of history?

    Your top post is another example of free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    He makes the same Non sequiturs:

    Premise 1: The FFRF complain about a politician mixing religion in government.
    Premise 2: It is against religious freedoms for the government to endorse religion.
    Premise 3: Marco Rubio is an elected politician that serves in government.
    Premise 4: Mark Rubio is mixing religion with government.
    ----
    Conclusion: The FFRF are against religious freedoms.

    It does not follow.
    There's a toxic brew here:

    1) There are those who believe if they go out and attack others for their religion or lack there of, they get on an express elevator to heaven

    And

    2) There are those who have a pain in their hand, one hour later they have bone cancer,,,, drama queens.

    Rubio is a poll, we all know that in Florida; he's opportunistic and only as convicted as his poll numbers say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Oh bull shit! you don't know what the hell you are talking about!
    I have been following the FFRF for a long time. They have one purpose, and that is to stop the free exercise of religion so they can implement their ideology "Free Thinking" on society. They use the excuse of the Establishment Clause like they are trying to enforce it, but its being used as a weapon to further their cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Believing something is the antithesis of knowing it. You don't have any evidence proving Rubio was doing that on his personal Twitter page exclusively. If he was posting the Holy Bible verses on his public page, then I can totally understand why the FFRF would complain. He is an elected official that swore to uphold the duties delegated to him by the secular U.S. Constitution. By quoting bible verses, he is starting to endorse the Holy Bible and it is only a matter of time before he starts legislating from the Holy Bible. In other words, he is mixing his religion with his duties as an elected official.
    I posted evidence the posting is on his private Twitter account. This is why the FFRF is angry and making threats, but they can't do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    I don't get why you're upset.

    Wasn't it you rightwingers who defended the white supremacists and neo-nazis on the basis of "free speech"
    while the rest of the world cringed over your ignorance of history?

    Your top post is another example of free speech.
    I'm not upset. This is actually a victory for Freedom of Religion by Rubio. The FFRF desperately wants to stop his freedom, but legally has no power to do it. Best news for those that value Free Speech and Religion this year.

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    As Atheism becomes more acceptable in society, we are going to see organized atheist groups start rejecting the public insertion of God and religion across the board. Personally, I love it and hope it continues until public displays of religion are as taboo as ethnic jokes are today. Its a process, its time for atheists to stand up and fight oppression. Remember, all Christians agree with atheists that thousands of Gods are made up fantasies, we just disagree on one of them.
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