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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, technically three. You disagree with Jews and Muslims about one.
    They are all the same God, they just call it different names. As for Jesus, he is just part of the same God is he not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    ... This is the problem with what the FFRF wants, which is to limit freedom of speech. They have been doing this for a very long time with teachers, football coaches, basically people that work for the government. Rubio is a Senator that would be very hard to take down for the FFRF, so you notice no threats of a lawsuit. Their intentions are very clear here. Stop free speech so they can control what people hear. The FFRF doesn't want the Free Exercise of the First Amendment to happen, so they speak of the preventions of government establishing a religion. Rubio is just sharing Bible verses with people and its not harming anyone. The more the FFRF keeps this up it becomes clear what their intentions are. They are losing this war on religion because they are the only ones that care. [/FONT]
    Freedom of Speech doesn't protect people from negative responses to what they say. The FFRF is perfectly within its rights to point out that when an elected official openly and deliberate promotes an establishment of religion to his constituents, it's transgressing on the First Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    The Freedom From Religion Foundation is actually practicing free-speech, not limiting it.
    They are practicing free speech...and while they are doing it they are attacking others free speech rights and the Constitution that specifically protects an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    Conservatives/Christians push for each of us on our own doing the right thing

    Liberals push for each of doing exactly what they demand

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    What about agnostics like me?

    Frankly, when I see a person like you touting his supposed Christianity while sporting an Arpaio avatar, a blatant racist, I want no part of it.
    An accused racist, based upon ZERO real evidence and liberal hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    An accused racist, based upon ZERO real evidence and liberal hatred.
    A racist convicted of operating racist policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I really believe Rubio is sharing these Bible verses for personal reasons to encourage others. I don't see him starting a Theocracy anytime soon
    It doesn't matter what you think his reasons are. Look, if he sent out bible verses in the mail, on his Senate Letterhead, his reason may be to personally encourage the people to whom he sent the letters. That doesn't change the fact that he sent it on Senate Letterhead, making it an official government action, and inappropriate according to the Court's longstanding understand of the First Amendment. Regardless of his reason, he sent the verses out through his official titter account - he, you, or anyone else can call it "personal" all any of you like; the content clearly indicates it is his official account as a public servant in Congress, an official government outlet.

    Like I said, he wants to avoid this kind of accusation? The answer is simple. Just create a twitter account that is actually personal, do not include any of his official tweets on that account, and make certain that only tweets about his personal, private life go into that account, and then he can tweet out bible verses from that account to his beady, little heart's desire. I suspect he has no desire to do that, though, because his personal account won't have near the 3 million followers that his official account has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Our Constitution declares:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Are you going to need a link?
    Smartass (I LOVE IT!!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I posted evidence the posting is on his private Twitter account. This is why the FFRF is angry and making threats, but they can't do anything.
    Welllll...it is being presented as a "personal account". However, when one takes the time to actually look at the twitter account, one finds not a single post that is personal, or of a personal nature, if you ignore the Bible verses - because, of course, you are insisting that the Bible verses are "personal", and not to be regarded as official. As I pointed out - with links to examples from his feed - all one finds is official stories, and links to press releases from his work as a Senator....and the bible verses.

    You don't get to use a twitter account, building a 3 million person following, as the official twitter account of your office, and then claim that is it "a personal account" just to provide cover for using the account to cram you beliefs down the throats of your followers, as an official of the government. I could be wrong, but I suspect the courts are gonna side with FFRF on this one, and will issue an injunction enjoining Cruz from sending any more of those bible verses through his official account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    In order for them to teach their message they need to wipe out the competition.
    No, they do not. That is Xianity's tactic. Or, at least, it used to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    They are offering an alternative to Christianity.
    Atheism is an "alternative" to all religions, though is not itself a religion any more than "bald" is a hair color. And it need neither prove nor disprove anything; all it needs to demonstrate is that Xianity (or any other religion) has no evidence. No one must disprove anything. You must prove your case, and you have no evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) continues to face backlash for sharing daily Bible verses on Twitter, and this time, the largest atheist organization in America is trying to hit the Christian senator where it hurts.


    A portion of the letter from the foundation to Rubio read:
    We protect the constitutional principle of separation between state and church, and educate the public on matters relating to nontheism.
    We understand that you have been tweeting bible verses from @MarcoRubio to nearly three million followers. It appears that you began tweeting the bible in mid-May and have been doing so regularly ever since. This is not an errant bible verse or two, but more than 60 bible verses in three months. That’s enough verses to tweet the entire Book of Jude. Twice. One of the most recent verses, tweeted during the eclipse, appears to suggest that the eclipse is the work of god, quoting Exodus 10:21.1. …
    Of course, we have no issue with people reading and discussing the bible. The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover. But it is not for the government in our secular republic to promote one religious book over others or to promote religion over nonreligion.
    Doing so violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. …
    The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based atheist group, on Tuesday attacked Rubio’s outpouring of love for God, Jesus, and the Bible in an open letter, and called for the senator to stop sharing his faith in a public manner. The organization has publicly condemned Rubio for sharing Bible verses on his Twitter page.
    To remedy Rubio’s “infractions,” the group suggested one of two options: Rubio should either stop quoting Scripture on his personal Twitter account or purge all mentions of the fact that he holds a publicly elected office as a U.S. senator on the same Twitter page.https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...re-dead-wrong/

    This is the problem with what the FFRF wants, which is to limit freedom of speech. They have been doing this for a very long time with teachers, football coaches, basically people that work for the government. Rubio is a Senator that would be very hard to take down for the FFRF, so you notice no threats of a lawsuit. Their intentions are very clear here. Stop free speech so they can control what people hear. The FFRF doesn't want the Free Exercise of the First Amendment to happen, so they speak of the preventions of government establishing a religion. Rubio is just sharing Bible verses with people and its not harming anyone. The more the FFRF keeps this up it becomes clear what their intentions are. They are losing this war on religion because they are the only ones that care.
    You elected Trump. You have no moral high ground.
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