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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the G-d View Post
    They are all the same G-d, they just call it different names. As for Jesus, he is just part of the same G-d is he not?
    No. The G-d of the Jews and Muslims is a unitary entity, with no parts. The Xian G-d (for trinitarians, which is the overwhelming majority of Xians) is a tripartite entity. It may make little difference to you, but theologically they are quite different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    They are practicing free speech...and while they are doing it they are attacking others free speech rights and the Constitution that specifically protects an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
    This is just plain not true. Conservatives are the ones pushing for an establishment of a state religion, and attack the free speech rights of those they disagree with - such as the FFRF, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I'm not upset. This is actually a victory for Freedom of Religion by Rubio. The FFRF desperately wants to stop his freedom, but legally has no power to do it. Best news for those that value Free Speech and Religion this year.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. If he ignores the letter, they may well take it to the courts, and, as I said, based on the content of the Twitter account, the courts may well agree with FFRF, that the account represents an official government outlet, and is thus under the government restrictions of the First Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Whats wrong with that one? You know the real one is really hard for atheist to disprove. To much evidence to overcome and two Billion people that believe. What a dilemma.
    Is it? What method do you use to disprove the existence of Zeus? Disprove that god exists, and I will apply the same logic to your god, and I promise the same logic will hold true. By the way, "Because the Bible teold me so," disproves nothing. After all, I present to you, the memo from Hank's desk:

    From the Desk of Karl


    1. Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
    2. Use alcohol in moderation.
    3. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.
    4. Eat right.
    5. Hank dictated this list Himself.
    6. The moon is made of green cheese.
    7. Everything Hank says is right.
    8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
    9. Don't use alcohol.
    10. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
    11. Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the shit out of you.



    Now, of course, the obvious question is why is the memo from Hank's desk relevant. It's relevant because it is evidence that just because someone wrote something down, doesn't automatically make it accurate, or reliable. As further evidence of this point I present the following:



    If the Bible, merely by virtue of being written down, if evidence favouring the existence of your god, exclusive of all others, then doesn't that make the Harry Potter books evidence of the existence of Hogwarts?
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    Further proof. The sign at Kings Cross railway station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Further proof. The sign at Kings Cross railway station.

    Yeah...I had to include the latter, because I was not convinced that he would recognise, or understand the reference to the, admittedly somewhat obsure, "Kissing Hank's Ass". Even Christians familiar with the work tend to get really upset when the point of the allegory sets in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    The sound reasoning and logic applied to judging the thousands of Gods as myths should continue for the last God. After all, the God of Christianity has no more substantiation than any of the others does it?
    The fact he rose from the dead as witnessed by others has a lot to do with him being credible. Even Mohammed is in the grave and the only way his followers can get others to believe him is by death threats. Christians weigh the evidence and the predictions made by prophets and by Jesus himself and see him standing alone as the true Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Freedom of Speech doesn't protect people from negative responses to what they say. The FFRF is perfectly within its rights to point out that when an elected official openly and deliberate promotes an establishment of religion to his constituents, it's transgressing on the First Amendment.
    Do you think the FFRF can legally do anything to stop Rubio? If so, how would they go about it? If they could stop his freedom of speech, what could they do to others doing the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    A racist convicted of operating racist policy.
    Obama isn't President anymore, so charging innocent people with racism is over with. It smells like the Trayvon Martin , George Zimmerman case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think his reasons are. Look, if he sent out bible verses in the mail, on his Senate Letterhead, his reason may be to personally encourage the people to whom he sent the letters. That doesn't change the fact that he sent it on Senate Letterhead, making it an official government action, and inappropriate according to the Court's longstanding understand of the First Amendment. Regardless of his reason, he sent the verses out through his official titter account - he, you, or anyone else can call it "personal" all any of you like; the content clearly indicates it is his official account as a public servant in Congress, an official government outlet.

    Like I said, he wants to avoid this kind of accusation? The answer is simple. Just create a twitter account that is actually personal, do not include any of his official tweets on that account, and make certain that only tweets about his personal, private life go into that account, and then he can tweet out bible verses from that account to his beady, little heart's desire. I suspect he has no desire to do that, though, because his personal account won't have near the 3 million followers that his official account has.
    The Twitter Account is private. Rubio is using the same method of communication as Trump and the Liberals can't control him. Not the media, not the FRFF, not the law. Twitter would have to ban Freedom of Speech for all Conservatives and that probably won't happen unless they want a huge lawsuit. This is equality in action, the very thing your party fights for all the time.

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