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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You still came here illegally so you have no legal right to be here
    The government has the right to award relief from deportation for anyone who is not responsible for being unlawfully present. It can further defer deportation for anyone who is responsible for illegal entry but has justification for their actions. Dreamers benefit from both. There is no case against DACA. That is why it has not been brought. This is a political question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The GOP was to weak and afraid of being called racist. There is no legal standing for DACA
    "Standing" is actually a big issue for anyone who wants to challenge DACA, as it's virtually impossible for any individual to claim DACA has done them direct harm and very difficult for public entities to claim it. If there is no damage present, plaintiff has no standing, plaintiff loses. This is why Trump is being pressured to end the program himself as a political, rather than a legal, decision. The longterm outlook for any case against DACA is iffy at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    The government has the right to award relief from deportation for anyone who is not responsible for being unlawfully present. It can further defer deportation for anyone who is responsible for illegal entry but has justification for their actions. Dreamers benefit from both. There is no case against DACA. That is why it has not been brought. This is a political question.
    Yes, but try explaining that to a Republican and it goes right over their head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    They did not break the law at all. How can a child who doesn't know any better break the law? That's why even in murder cases in this country if a child kills another or an adult they are not held legally responsible.

    A person's conviction should always be to help his fellow man that is here and has lived a productive life with no criminal record. I know that is a completely foreign concept in your brain but try thinking about it sometime.
    Try becoming human with feelings for others once in a while. It may do you a lot of good!
    They are here illegally. Negligence of the law does not matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnbskts View Post
    If they were brought here illegally by parents who are still here illegally, then Trump's comments about how he loves them so much he wouldn't dream of splitting up families simply means that he's going to deport them along with their parents, right? That's what a loving president would do.
    Which is what should be done. If they are here illegally they are criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are here illegally. Negligence of the law does not matter
    We'll see who's right on this and most likely it won't be you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Which is what should be done. If they are here illegally they are criminals.
    Actually no, simply being present in the country without authorization is a civil offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    The government has the right to award relief from deportation for anyone who is not responsible for being unlawfully present. It can further defer deportation for anyone who is responsible for illegal entry but has justification for their actions. Dreamers benefit from both. There is no case against DACA. That is why it has not been brought. This is a political question.
    That does not mean they have to. Obama's executive order is illegal since immigration laws must come from congress

    Presidential Power Over Immigration - KrisAnne Hall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    "Standing" is actually a big issue for anyone who wants to challenge DACA, as it's virtually impossible for any individual to claim DACA has done them direct harm and very difficult for public entities to claim it. If there is no damage present, plaintiff has no standing, plaintiff loses. This is why Trump is being pressured to end the program himself as a political, rather than a legal, decision. The longterm outlook for any case against DACA is iffy at best.
    They take away our jobs and have ni legal right to be here. They are not US citizens they are here illegally. What part of that do democrats not understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That does not mean they have to. Obama's executive order is illegal since immigration laws must come from congress

    Presidential Power Over Immigration - KrisAnne Hall
    It's not an immigration law. It's the government applying a policy of enforcement.
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