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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Are you actually so thick as to not be able to discern the difference between paying taxes and forfeiture of assets?

    Really? This is why I simply cannot take Republicans seriously.
    No, I understand the difference.

    Do you not see how you and your side of the aisle use ever increasing taxes to support your Aristocrats, as they buy votes?

    No, you do not.

    Because Liberals in this nation, feel that THEY have rights to OTHER people's wealth.

    I see BOTH forms of theft as wrong.

    But, I am consistent............

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    Police departments are funding themselves with civil forfeiture.

    Some of that is corruption, and needs to be rooted out. Some of it is actual need. If they really need the money, then yeah, we should raise taxes to pay for it.

    Wisconsin police shouldn't feel a need to keep the car of an Illinois father whose son is using the car while attending a Wisconsin school, after the son is picked up (but never charged and never convicted) in connection with a small marijuana purchase. (for the example I'm most familiar with from local news)

    The shouldn't feel a need to do that. They shouldn't be ABLE to do that. And we should share the legitimate costs through taxes.

    Who actually disagrees with that?

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    Good. It's bullshit and a complete violation of due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    No, I understand the difference.

    Do you not see how you and your side of the aisle use ever increasing taxes to support your Aristocrats, as they buy votes?

    No, you do not.

    Because Liberals in this nation, feel that THEY have rights to OTHER people's wealth.

    I see BOTH forms of theft as wrong.

    But, I am consistent............
    I never said that you weren't consistent. Hell, you're as consistent as a brick.

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    For example...

    On Sept. 21, 2015, Gerardo Serrano was driving from his home in Kentucky to Piedras Negras, Mexico, when his truck was searched by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents at Texas's Eagle Pass border crossing. After finding a small ammunition clip, the agents took Serrano's truck from him.

    Two years later, Customs hasn't charged Serrano with a crime, and they haven't given his truck back either. Now he's suing over what he calls a violation of his constitutional rights.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.18fe5e40958d

    Five bullets. That's all. They justified this based on five bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    For example...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.18fe5e40958d

    Five bullets. That's all. They justified this based on five bullets.
    A sheriff in Houma, LA drove a seized Mazarati as his police car until he was forced to auction it off. WTF does a small town sheriff need with a Mazarati?

    Seizure laws are a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    For example...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.18fe5e40958d

    Five bullets. That's all. They justified this based on five bullets.
    Now, since this was Customs, he might win. Asset forfeiture is typically a state thing. Currently, I don't think federal agencies have the authority to engage in this. That was the point of the legislation passed by the House. They don't want the federal government to start engaging in asset forfeiture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    A sheriff in Houma, LA drove a seized Mazarati as his police car until he was forced to auction it off. WTF does a small town sheriff need with a Mazarati?

    Seizure laws are a joke.
    And this happens across, like, 46 states. I mean, it actually happens in 49 states, but 5 of them require actual conviction of a crime before the state gets to keep the shit they took. I'm actually okay with that. If the person they took the shit from was actually engaged in illegal activity, I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy over them losing their shit - shit that they likely bought using profits from their illegal enterprises. My problem is that the rest of them just need to be "suspected" of a crime. Those are the standards I have a problem with.

    And I'm actually impressed that there is something @Goofball, and I actually agree on! Need to mark this date...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    And this happens across, like, 46 states. I mean, it actually happens in 49 states, but 5 of them require actual conviction of a crime before the state gets to keep the shit they took. I'm actually okay with that. If the person they took the shit from was actually engaged in illegal activity, I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy over them losing their shit - shit that they likely bought using profits from their illegal enterprises. My problem is that the rest of them just need to be "suspected" of a crime. Those are the standards I have a problem with.
    Up to a point. Someone shouldn't lose a Lamborghini because cops found a roach clip in the ashtray either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Up to a point. Someone shouldn't lose a Lamborghini because cops found a roach clip in the ashtray either.
    Well, yeah. It does say "criminal conviction". Would need to investigate just what that means; whether that means felony conviction, or just misdemeanour. Cuz you're right, losing your $100,000 car, or house, over a simple possession conviction seems a bit ridiculous.

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