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    As an aside, this is one more sign that when it comes to politicking in D.C., Trump and the people working for him have extremely low situational awareness and extremely low competence in working the Hill. A normal administration has many ways to kill specific bills in their infancy. It's aware of what committees are doing what, and how to squeeze chairmen at least of its own party to strangle things in the crib. Not only did that not happen, but no apparent effort was made to lobby against the bill's passage during the final markup, or even to change the language.

    Hesitating to sign once you've dithered and allowed a veto-proof majority to form just makes you look like a moron, in addition to playing into whatever your rivals and opponents wanted when they put the resolution through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I'm sorry. I don't admire them for being "fed up" with Trump, so long as they are simultaneously going out of their way to protect him from investigations that could lead to his impeachment. They want to have it both ways. They don't want Trump's vile, personal ugliness to threaten their chances at reelection, but they still want him in the White House to rubber-stamp their attempts to deconstruct the federal government from within. They can take their half-assed attempt at whitewashing Trump's malevolent behavior and go fuck themselves, so far as I'm concerned.
    Don't be so sure that they're covering for him on any investigations. Congressional subpoenas of the executive branch have happened and are likely to continue to happen. Those are not possible without at least Republican chairmen affirmation, and at least in the House, the consent of leadership.
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    At this point,Trump has learned what works with Congress.

    I despise the old liar, but his working with Dems absolutely neutered the do nothings. Ryan is out there,trying to pretend he is still in charge. He lost because of his Ann Rand ideas.

    Trump is meeting with the Problem Solvers Caucus today. Ryan and Mitch are now just looking on. Mitch complaining it was not much of a deal. Ryan trying to look like a leader,then blustering that he will get a tax deal with or without Dems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --True. Just as hundreds of Antifa and Black Lives Murder individuals were summoned from across the nation
    I attend these rallies because George Soros calls me with orders.
    There's a rally this Sat. and a group of us are having a bean breakfast.
    Crop dusting begins at noon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Passed both chambers unanimously. UNANIMOUSLY.

    But it was introduced as a joint resolution, rather than a resolution of each chamber passed concurrently, for the specific purpose of forcing Trump to sign something that assigns responsibility for the Charlottesville violence to white supremacists. That the GOP leadership and all factions signed on to this specific hand-slap shows that he is starting to test their patience. And now the clown is dithering, doing exactly what his opponents who voted Aye hoped he would do, and which his few remaining genuine supporters in Congress desperately hoped he would not.

    He will probably sign it, today, or at the latest tomorrow. He has no real choice, same as the Russia sanctions bill ... an override is all but guaranteed. But it's just one more instance where Trump has stepped over homeplate rather than swing at a straight-line 90 mph fastball. If he should refuse to sign, or especially if he vetoes, then all hell will break loose.
    Trump will understand that there are three branches of government; and it will be beaten into his head, as long as he lasts, which I don't personally think is very long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    At this point,Trump has learned what works with Congress.

    I despise the old liar, but his working with Dems absolutely neutered the do nothings. Ryan is out there,trying to pretend he is still in charge. He lost because of his Ann Rand ideas.

    Trump is meeting with the Problem Solvers Caucus today. Ryan and Mitch are now just looking on. Mitch complaint it was not much of a deal. Ryan trying to look like a leader,then blustering that he will get a tax deal with or without Dems.
    The Dems are just posturing. They're not going to sign on to any Trump legislation save perhaps infrastructure spending and Obamacare reform (rather than repeal). The political gains of killing such legislation and rendering him impotent as a leader are too great, and any serious ideas which come out of that White House are going to infringe their platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    It is a fallacy.

    There were TWO SIDES starting shit in Charlottesville.

    There was ONE WHITE SUPREMECIST ASSHOLE who killed a woman, and, harmed others.

    That is REALITY.

    We can deny reality. We can ignore reality. But, that does not change it.

    But, he should still sign this fluff. It's a nice, bi-partisan statement, that says a little, and does, nothing. (So, quite an achievement for Congress, these days!!!!)

    And, fortunately, despite the media's support and spin, people ARE starting to see Antifa and other Left Wing Domestic terror groups for what they are.
    There are not two sides. There are nazis....and everybody else.
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    There has still been no word from the White House on what's happening here.

    Politico asked them this morning, got "no announcements at this time."

    The bill becomes law without Trump's signature in 10 days. I wonder if that's where he's headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    There are not two sides. There are nazis....and everybody else.
    No, not really.

    There are many sides.

    This "Two Sides" narrative, is created by people who always wish to DIVIDE us, even as they ignore the monsters on their side of the aisle.

    Just basic human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    No, not really.

    There are many sides.

    This "Two Sides" narrative, is created by people who always wish to DIVIDE us, even as they ignore the monsters on their side of the aisle.

    Just basic human nature.
    I'm not really sure how the people who opposed the Nazis got to Charlottesville. If we unearth a group of thugs who make it their business to find Nazis and start brawls in the streets with them, we should lock them up.

    On another, unrelated note, Nazis and other white supremacist hate groups are totally not cool. Congress thinks so, too, unanimously. Do you like white supremacist hate groups? I don't.

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