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    Trump WILL NOT commit to signing joint resolution on white supremacy

    Passed both chambers unanimously. UNANIMOUSLY.

    But it was introduced as a joint resolution, rather than a resolution of each chamber passed concurrently, for the specific purpose of forcing Trump to sign something that assigns responsibility for the Charlottesville violence to white supremacists. That the GOP leadership and all factions signed on to this specific hand-slap shows that he is starting to test their patience. And now the clown is dithering, doing exactly what his opponents who voted Aye hoped he would do, and which his few remaining genuine supporters in Congress desperately hoped he would not.

    He will probably sign it, today, or at the latest tomorrow. He has no real choice, same as the Russia sanctions bill ... an override is all but guaranteed. But it's just one more instance where Trump has stepped over homeplate rather than swing at a straight-line 90 mph fastball. If he should refuse to sign, or especially if he vetoes, then all hell will break loose.
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    It is a fallacy.

    There were TWO SIDES starting shit in Charlottesville.

    There was ONE WHITE SUPREMECIST ASSHOLE who killed a woman, and, harmed others.

    That is REALITY.

    We can deny reality. We can ignore reality. But, that does not change it.

    But, he should still sign this fluff. It's a nice, bi-partisan statement, that says a little, and does, nothing. (So, quite an achievement for Congress, these days!!!!)

    And, fortunately, despite the media's support and spin, people ARE starting to see Antifa and other Left Wing Domestic terror groups for what they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    It is a fallacy.

    There were TWO SIDES starting shit in Charlottesville.

    There was ONE WHITE SUPREMECIST ASSHOLE who killed a woman, and, harmed others.

    That is REALITY.

    We can deny reality. We can ignore reality. But, that does not change it.

    But, he should still sign this fluff. It's a nice, bi-partisan statement, that says a little, and does, nothing. (So, quite an achievement for Congress, these days!!!!)

    And, fortunately, despite the media's support and spin, people ARE starting to see Antifa and other Left Wing Domestic terror groups for what they are.
    Nope, hundreds of white nationalists got together for a violent, hateful march carrying weapons through a peaceful college town, nearly all of them coming from across the country to do so. Their leadership constituted a nationwide syndicate of professional racists, militiamen, provocateurs and Internet trolls.

    Large crowds of counter-protesters formed as a result, and *some* few of those counter protesters, who would not have been there had the original sin not been committed, chose to get violent. Nearly all of the counter-protesters were UVA students, locals, or from the immediate region. They were led by clergy, professors, business owners, and mainstream leftist organizations --- there is no evidence that any outside leadership of Antifa was present, and no such people are currently wanted by law enforcement.

    All facts, which Congress without any breakage whatsoever has chosen to affirm. Now the President must.

    By the way, Joint Resolutions don't "do" anything, but they do formally express the will of Congress and codify that will into law, and defying them is a potential impeachable offense.

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    I'm sorry. I've been hearing about how Trump's petulant and sociopathic behavior will cause all hell to break loose since before he won the Republican presidential nomination. The fact is that so long as he maintains the support of the majority party in both houses of Congress and their electoral base, he will face no significant retribution for his actions.
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    Nope, hundreds of white nationalists got together for a violent, hateful march carrying weapons through a peaceful college town, nearly all of them coming from across the country to do so. Their leadership constituted a nationwide syndicate of professional racists, militiamen, provocateurs and Internet trolls.
    --True. Just as hundreds of Antifa and Black Lives Murder individuals were summoned from across the nation, all in the hopes of assaulting people and starting shit.

    AGAIN: What happened in Charlottesville, is that TWO groups came looking for a fight. Surprise! Surprise! They found it.....

    Large crowds of counter-protesters formed as a result, and *some* few of those counter protesters, who would not have been there had the original sin not been committed, chose to get violence. Nearly all of the counter-protesters were UVA students, locals, or from the immediate region. They were led by clergy, professors, business owners, and mainstream leftist organizations --- there is no evidence that any outside leadership of Antifa was present, and no such people are currently wanted by law enforcement.
    --Okay. Well, if you can't see what is observable, and admit what is known, then, there is no reason attempting to argue the point with you.

    All facts, which Congress without any breakage whatsoever has chosen to affirm. Now the President must.
    --I agree, he should. Don't know why he wouldn't.

    By the way, Joint Resolutions don't "do" anything, but they do formally express the will of Congress and codify that will into law, and defying them is a potential impeachable offense.
    --ROFLMAO!!!!!


    --So. "Defying" a fluff statement by Congress, that does NOTHING, is an impeachable offense.... (Question: How does one "defy" something that provides for nothing to be done???)....But, lying to a Grand Jury, overstepping the Constitutional limits of Executive Authority, and, using the IRS for partisan intimidation are not!

    (And people wonder why I have come to absolutely LOATHE the American Federal Government!!!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I'm sorry. I've been hearing about how Trump's petulant and sociopathic behavior will cause all hell to break loose since before he won the Republican presidential nomination. The fact is that so long as he maintains the support of the majority party in both houses of Congress and their electoral base, he will face no significant retribution for his actions.
    That's just it, this has been the highest profile thing about Trump for a month and a half. If the Congressional GOP wanted to carry Trump's water without question, they would never have let this bill come to the floor in either chamber, never mind voted unanimously for it. Some of them may have done so out of the hopelessly na´ve expectation that Trump would sign without delay and thus avoid any issue, but they still cast that vote and created a fresh problem on this issue for Trump just as it was starting to fade.

    That's not a sign of a Congress that will stand by him forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    That's just it, this has been the highest profile thing about Trump for a month and a half. If the Congressional GOP wanted to carry Trump's water without question, they would never have let this bill come to the floor in either chamber, never mind voted unanimously for it. Some of them may have done so out of the hopelessly na´ve expectation that Trump would sign without delay and thus avoid any issue, but they still cast that vote and created a fresh problem on this issue for Trump just as it was starting to fade.

    That's not a sign of a Congress that will stand by him forever.
    It's a sign of a Congress that lives in fear of going down with the ship, all the while continuing to paddle at the command of their Dear Leader until such time as they see the vessel taking on water.

    The Republican base will (quite obviously, based upon comments in this very thread), continue to twist reality like a fucking pretzel in order to maintain their faith-based belief in the legitimacy of their cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    --True. Just as hundreds of Antifa and Black Lives Murder individuals were summoned from across the nation, all in the hopes of assaulting people and starting shit.
    There was no organized effort to summon people to Charlottesville to counter-protest that is in any way comparable to the Unite the Right formal event. Different groups did their own work in different ways, but general awareness of Unite the Right as a concept did not spread until the torch march on campus.

    --I agree, he should. Don't know why he wouldn't.
    Because he sees white nationalists as part of his base, as one of the few sorts of people who affirm him without question. Because he is a narcissist, and may actually be clinically consumed by his own personality and need for affirmation, he finds it difficult to act against ANYONE who does that, no matter what.

    --So. "Defying" a fluff statement by Congress, that does NOTHING, is an impeachable offense.... (Question: How does one "defy" something that provides for nothing to be done???)....But, lying to a Grand Jury, overstepping the Constitutional limits of Executive Authority, and, using the IRS for partisan intimidation are not!

    (And people wonder why I have come to absolutely LOATHE the American Federal Government!!!!)
    Isn't it funny that none of the things you just mentioned is currently under investigation by either the Trump Department of Justice or by any significant group in Congress? But I get it, rather than talk about the issue, you want to change the topic.

    Otherwise, this resolution calls on Trump to issue a new condemnation of white supremacy, and codifies that demand into law. The president is bound by the Constitution to faithfully execute the law, whether he signed that law or was overridden as would certainly happen here. The only real mechanism to ensure he faithfully executes is to impeach him if he doesn't ... It's not complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's a sign of a Congress that lives in fear of going down with the ship, all the while continuing to paddle at the command of their Dear Leader until such time as they see the vessel taking on water.

    The Republican base will (quite obviously, based upon comments in this very thread), continue to twist reality like a fucking pretzel in order to maintain their faith-based belief in the legitimacy of their cause.
    It's still a leak in the ship that nobody in Congress saw fit to plug. Even if we could say "well, this is just the Congressional leadership's anger," Trump supporters in the House, at least, could invoke caucus policy and force leadership to secretly acquire a majority vote among *Republicans only* before putting the bill on the floor. That they chose not to do this is either a sign that they knew it would be a hopeless venture, or they themselves support the resolution to the letter and are getting fed up with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    It's still a leak in the ship that nobody in Congress saw fit to plug. Even if we could say "well, this is just the Congressional leadership's anger," Trump supporters in the House, at least, could invoke caucus policy and force leadership to secretly acquire a majority vote among *Republicans only* before putting the bill on the floor. That they chose not to do this is either a sign that they knew it would be a hopeless venture, or they themselves support the resolution to the letter and are getting fed up with Trump.
    I'm sorry. I don't admire them for being "fed up" with Trump, so long as they are simultaneously going out of their way to protect him from investigations that could lead to his impeachment. They want to have it both ways. They don't want Trump's vile, personal ugliness to threaten their chances at reelection, but they still want him in the White House to rubber-stamp their attempts to deconstruct the federal government from within. They can take their half-assed attempt at whitewashing Trump's malevolent behavior and go fuck themselves, so far as I'm concerned.
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