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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    In my defense, most of the more salacious stuff came out after the 1996 election. Still, he was a known philanderer/skirt chaser and I gave it a pass. That's on me.
    I honestly did not know any of Bill Clinton's issues prior to voting for him. Back then, the internet was not like it is today, and the media did not share stuff like this. We had dial up and paid by the minute with AOL. LOL Internet was expensive back them. When the Lewinsky story broke, this was the first of my personal knowledge...he was in his second term by then. You shouldn't blame yourself, JFK did the same thing and is one of the favorite Presidents in the US. Women were treated differently back then, it is now that they are saying Enough of this bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I honestly did not know any of Bill Clinton's issues prior to voting for him. Back then, the internet was not like it is today, and the media did not share stuff like this. We had dial up and paid by the minute with AOL. LOL Internet was expensive back them. When the Lewinsky story broke, this was the first of my personal knowledge...he was in his second term by then. You shouldn't blame yourself, JFK did the same thing and is one of the favorite Presidents in the US. Women were treated differently back then, it is now that they are saying Enough of this bullshit.
    The Gennifer Flowers stuff was covered during the '92 election by the network news (which I watched back then.) And so were the Paula Jones allegations prior to the '96 election. So I was aware there were accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    The Gennifer Flowers stuff was covered during the '92 election by the network news (which I watched back then.) And so were the Paula Jones allegations prior to the '96 election. So I was aware there were accusations.
    In 92', I had a job where I traveled all over the US 4 days a week and 96' I had returned to College. I did not have time to watch television back then. LOL My attitude was different about it back then...I saw all kinds of harassment during the 80's where money was just thrown at women to shut up and they took it. I thought it was normal and dodged the bullet the best possible. Today, women make up half of the workforce, hold professional positions and they are fed up with being treated as second class citizens and objects.
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    I love how you guys avoid the fact those women were perfectly willing. Groupie and powerful men have been having sex since time began.

    Now, the 2 of you are horrified. Little too late to pretend now.

    Clinton's reputation with women was known from the beginning.

    We had 3 channels since the early 1960's. I knew it. JFK's infidelity was well known. Ike had a mistress. sodid old man Bush. Those women were not all poor,dear virgins.

    Harding hid one in the hall closet. FDR had a mistress.

    And Trump is an absolute hound dog.

    I think only Truman and Carter did not, but Carter thought of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I love how you guys avoid the fact those women were perfectly willing. Groupie and powerful men have been having sex since time began.

    Now, the 2 of you are horrified. Little too late to pretend now.

    Clinton's reputation with women was known from the beginning.

    We had 3 channels since the early 1960's. I knew it. JFK's infidelity was well known. Ike had a mistress. sodid old man Bush. Those women were not all poor,dear virgins.

    Harding hid one in the hall closet. FDR had a mistress.

    And Trump is an absolute hound dog.

    I think only Truman and Carter did not, but Carter thought of it.
    In extremely unequal societies this is bound to happen. The droit de Seigneur was never law, but it was the nature of class relations back then, like rape by slaveowners, as the equivalent of the casting-couch is now. The American religion is to 'get on', and people weigh its teachings variously in terms of how to do it. Capitalism is fundamentally ambitious prostitution, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I love how you guys avoid the fact those women were perfectly willing. Groupie and powerful men have been having sex since time began.

    Now, the 2 of you are horrified. Little too late to pretend now.

    Clinton's reputation with women was known from the beginning.

    We had 3 channels since the early 1960's. I knew it. JFK's infidelity was well known. Ike had a mistress. sodid old man Bush. Those women were not all poor,dear virgins.

    Harding hid one in the hall closet. FDR had a mistress.

    And Trump is an absolute hound dog.

    I think only Truman and Carter did not, but Carter thought of it.
    You're conflating discussions and building a nice strawman there.

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    Hypocrites will be hypocrites. It's what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Hypocrites will be hypocrites. It's what they do.
    Indeed.

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