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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    We? Or world wide?

    Most other countries, especially China, use way more coal, both in absolute terms, and per capita, than America currently does.

    I know that estimates are if the infrastructure was in place to USE the Flue Gas CO2, there isn't enough for the current CO2 demand, and when you add the Algae Tube fuel production, it isn't near enough!

    Read the Links I've provided above!

    Life is good!

    Wise Use of resources makes life good, the people propserous, and the land clean!

    CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a Resource!

    That's why we burn so damn much electricity making it from air!

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    And China is reducing its coal use at an annual percentage higher than anyone else and is installing renewables at a greater annual pace than anyone else. It's great for the US and Europe, who are already developed nations, having achieved that status through massive pollutant release, to now badmouth developing countries.

    As to "... if the infrastructure was in place to USE the Flue Gas CO2 ..." well all I can say is that if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

    There is way more than a lack of infrastructure. I also worked on one of the largest CO2 sequestering projects in the world. It's just outside of Estevan, Saskatchewan. Its primary CO2 source is a surface coal gasification plant in North Dakota.

    Even that, and we weren't trying to create a benign environment in which algae could grow, was fraught with technical difficulties. Water plus CO2 results in horrendous corrosion. Corrosion resistant materials are either weak, difficult to work with or very expensive.

    As I said, I would love to be wrong, but the commercial application of this algae technology is a long way down the road.

    I have more confidence in the bacterial production of biodiesel from switchgrass and the like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weybur...ioxide_Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Yes but now the message is how he helped the coal miners. If anyone has noticed, much of what has been said and done has benefitted the states the voted for him. Puerto Rico? Not so much.
    I've seen interviews with coal miners. Even they know their jobs are not coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    We? Or world wide?

    Most other countries, especially China, use way more coal, both in absolute terms, and per capita, than America currently does.

    I know that estimates are if the infrastructure was in place to USE the Flue Gas CO2, there isn't enough for the current CO2 demand, and when you add the Algae Tube fuel production, it isn't near enough!

    Read the Links I've provided above!

    Life is good!

    Wise Use of resources makes life good, the people propserous, and the land clean!

    CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a Resource!

    That's why we burn so damn much electricity making it from air!

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    DATONG, China -- Scott Pruitt, the head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, declared Monday that "the war on coal is over." He told an audience in Kentucky that he plans to repeal an Obama-era rule that limits carbon emissions from power plants that burn coal.

    China, on the other hand, is doing the opposite. Coal is on the way out and solar power is coming in.

    On a farm in northern China, they are planting a new crop: Nearly 200,000 solar panels in the heart of coal country.

    In the south, China flipped the switch on the world's largest floating solar installation -- built on top of a lake created by an abandoned coal mine. Projects like these helped China double its solar capacity last year. It is now twice as big as the U.S. capacity.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-move...-big-on-solar/

    Sad when China is more forward thinking that we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    CO2 isn't real pollution.
    Sure. And cancer isn't a real disease.

    Why are most American conservatives fucking retards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Sure. And cancer isn't a real disease.

    Why are most American conservatives fucking retards?
    We just don't know. So far as this place is concerned I've always wondered if they are REALLY this stupid or do they pretend to be stupid for political reasons?
    But then you have to ask yourself why a person that was NOT retarded would support a political/social ideology that practically required them to at least pretend to be retarded, leading you right back to wondering if they really are retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    And China is reducing its coal use at an annual percentage higher than anyone else and is installing renewables at a greater annual pace than anyone else. It's great for the US and Europe, who are already developed nations, having achieved that status through massive pollutant release, to now badmouth developing countries.

    As to "... if the infrastructure was in place to USE the Flue Gas CO2 ..." well all I can say is that if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

    There is way more than a lack of infrastructure. I also worked on one of the largest CO2 sequestering projects in the world. It's just outside of Estevan, Saskatchewan. Its primary CO2 source is a surface coal gasification plant in North Dakota.

    Even that, and we weren't trying to create a benign environment in which algae could grow, was fraught with technical difficulties. Water plus CO2 results in horrendous corrosion. Corrosion resistant materials are either weak, difficult to work with or very expensive.

    As I said, I would love to be wrong, but the commercial application of this algae technology is a long way down the road.

    I have more confidence in the bacterial production of biodiesel from switchgrass and the like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weybur...ioxide_Project
    That's a lie, China isn't reducing coal generation capacity, it is increasing coal generation capacity by 40%.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1880P4
    May 12, 2017
    The newspaper said China’s total coal-fired power generation capacity was likely to reach 1,300 GW by the end of 2020, much higher than the 1,100 GW target in China’s 2016-2020 five-year plan. Total coal-fired capacity stood at 940 GW at the end of 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    DATONG, China -- Scott Pruitt, the head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, declared Monday that "the war on coal is over." He told an audience in Kentucky that he plans to repeal an Obama-era rule that limits carbon emissions from power plants that burn coal.

    China, on the other hand, is doing the opposite. Coal is on the way out and solar power is coming in.

    On a farm in northern China, they are planting a new crop: Nearly 200,000 solar panels in the heart of coal country.

    In the south, China flipped the switch on the world's largest floating solar installation -- built on top of a lake created by an abandoned coal mine. Projects like these helped China double its solar capacity last year. It is now twice as big as the U.S. capacity.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-move...-big-on-solar/

    Sad when China is more forward thinking that we are.
    China is increasing coal fired generation by 40%. Coal generation in America is on the decline. Who is forward thinking and doing the right thing?

    Wow! Double the 1.7% of solar generation in the US!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Sure. And cancer isn't a real disease.

    Why are most American conservatives fucking retards?
    You have American conservatives confused with naturalized Canadians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That's a lie, China isn't reducing coal generation capacity, it is increasing coal generation capacity by 40%.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1880P4
    May 12, 2017
    It is reducing coal on the basis of percentage of overall power generation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...gy-china-india
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    And China is reducing its coal use at an annual percentage higher than anyone else and is installing renewables at a greater annual pace than anyone else. It's great for the US and Europe, who are already developed nations, having achieved that status through massive pollutant release, to now badmouth developing countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    It is reducing coal on the basis of percentage of overall power generation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...gy-china-india
    As a percentage of electricity generated, China's coal production is twice that of the United States.

    China is adding 40% more coal generation that it currently has. The United States is removing coal generation.

    There is no way to make China the good guy and the US the bad guy using those facts.

    I am glad that China is adding solar PV at a faster rate than the US, it will make their electricity more expensive and their manufactured goods more expensive in the world marketplace.

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