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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    The Court ruled that FoxNews can lie all they want. I'm serious.

    http://projectcensored.org/11-the-me...n-legally-lie/
    This is mostly Anti-Fox propaganda.

    The suit didn't actually involve the National Fox news Channel. It was a local Tampa Bay Television Station and just an affiliate.

    And the court never said they could lie in that case. They declared it an editorial dispute or something like that.

    But the press can print lies about other people and ruin their reputations without consequence. Any press can (not just Fox).

    Unless you can prove malicious intent (which is very difficult to prove) the media can destroy you all day long with lies, exaggerations and falsehoods and there is really nothing you can do about it. It really is a special kind of bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    The problem is our libel laws. It gives way too much freedom to our media to promote falsehoods about individuals in the public sphere - enabling them to literally destroy people's lives with lies without any consequence what-so-ever.

    Freedom of speech was never meant to be the freedom to print lies irresponsibly without consequences.
    Yes, it plainly was. This law goes back to colonial times, not just the Constitution.

    Three core principles:

    1) Truth is always a defense, and lies must be conclusively demonstrated
    2) Those who have already had their reputations defined in the public sphere must prove a lie is uniquely damaging
    3) Political and social *leaders* invite critique, including false critique, and must generally tolerate it

    In my opinion - the media should be subjected to the same standard as the rest of us are.
    It already is.

    As to the rest of your post: The Trump administration can count the number of times it has SOUGHT corrections from the mainstream press on one hand. They are demonstrably unable to prove allegations of falsehood in specificity. That's just for the purposes of public consumption, never mind the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance View Post
    Jeez, they're in everything.

    That stupid twit will end up like everyone who goes against Trump.

    LOL
    How will she end up, exactly? What do you expect to happen given that Trump has done nothing to change the law thus far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance View Post
    We're going to destroy the Fake News Media.

    How 'bout them apples?
    You are like your Orange god, all talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    It's time for everyone to start calling our representatives and senators and insist they
    take action to rid us of this personality-disordered, mentally unstable, pathologically lying,
    unfit to serve, or in Tillerson's words, fvcking moron Trump.
    Agreed in principle
    Thanks from OHjulie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    This is mostly Anti-Fox propaganda.

    The suit didn't actually involve the National Fox news Channel. It was a local Tampa Bay Television Station and just an affiliate.

    And the court never said they could lie in that case. They declared it an editorial dispute or something like that.

    But the press can print lies about other people and ruin their reputations without consequence. Any press can (not just Fox).

    Unless you can prove malicious intent (which is very difficult to prove) the media can destroy you all day long with lies, exaggerations and falsehoods and there is really nothing you can do about it. It really is a special kind of bullshit.
    Trump lies his ass off every day.
    He's not the press, but the president.
    I think his purposeful lying is an impeachable offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    Trump lies his ass off every day.
    He's not the press, but the president.
    I think his purposeful lying is an impeachable offense.
    My post didn't have anything to do with President Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Yes, it plainly was. This law goes back to colonial times, not just the Constitution.

    Three core principles:

    1) Truth is always a defense, and lies must be conclusively demonstrated
    2) Those who have already had their reputations defined in the public sphere must prove a lie is uniquely damaging
    3) Political and social *leaders* invite critique, including false critique, and must generally tolerate it


    It already is.

    As to the rest of your post: The Trump administration can count the number of times it has SOUGHT corrections from the mainstream press on one hand. They are demonstrably unable to prove allegations of falsehood in specificity. That's just for the purposes of public consumption, never mind the law.
    No it wasn't - or else regular Americans could lie about others damaging their reputations without any consequences as well. We can't however. Because if we do we can be sued in court for spreading falsehoods that damage other people. And that same standard should be applied to the Press without the added burden of having to prove malicious intent. They should not have a special kind of free speech that the rest of us do not.

    Freedom in the constitution doesn't mean one thing for the people and then something differently for the press.

    So no - the media is not subjected to the same standard as the rest of us are.

    As to the rest of your post: my comment really didn't have anything to do with the Trump administration. Though there have been many examples of the media having to retract stories that were false about the administration so you are incorrect about that.
    Last edited by Jeremy; 12th October 2017 at 09:56 AM.

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