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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    He hasn't been "caught," just exposed. He published the records.

    He won't be caught until we know what he deleted.
    Deleted emails are a big deal now, huh?

    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Deleted emails are a big deal now, huh?

    Interesting.
    I've said many times here that deleting her emails was one of Clinton's worst mistakes.

    That said, I'm not aware that anyone believes, on the basis of any evidence, that she communicated directly with any U.S. adversary.

    Wikileaks is most definitely that --- even if they're not a Russian cat's paw. It's not good that Trump Jr. entertained them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I've said many times here that deleting her emails was one of Clinton's worst mistakes.

    That said, I'm not aware that anyone believes, on the basis of any evidence, that she communicated directly with any U.S. adversary.

    Wikileaks is most definitely that --- even if they're not a Russian cat's paw. It's not good that Trump Jr. entertained them.
    She just paid millions to a firm to conspire with the Russians to put together a fake dossier she could use to influence an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    She just paid millions to a firm to conspire with the Russians to put together a fake dossier she could use to influence an election.
    1) Clinton didn't pay anything
    2) How do you know how much was paid?
    3) Paying money to an oppo research firm that has foreign sources is in no way equivalent to direct communication with an entity headed by someone sought for arrest by the United States for multiple offenses against its national security as well as personal criminal misconduct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    1) Clinton didn't pay anything
    2) How do you know how much was paid?
    3) Paying money to an oppo research firm that has foreign sources is in no way equivalent to direct communication with an entity headed by someone sought for arrest by the United States for multiple offenses against its national security as well as personal criminal misconduct
    Of course, let's not forget the big one: Hillary Clinton is not in government, nor does she have any ties whatsoever to those currently in power, who must be held to a higher standard

    Not does Trump Jr. have such ties, but we know for a fact that he has repeatedly coordinated with Trump Sr. himself on responding to the Russia scandal after his father took office

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    1) Clinton didn't pay anything
    2) How do you know how much was paid?
    3) Paying money to an oppo research firm that has foreign sources is in no way equivalent to direct communication with an entity headed by someone sought for arrest by the United States for multiple offenses against its national security as well as personal criminal misconduct
    1. Her campaign, that she ran, paid millions. The DNC, the one she controlled expenditures, paid millions.
    2. Latest reports have it up to around $9 Million between her campaign and her DNC.
    3. Money went to Russian govt officials for the information she used to influence the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    1. Her campaign, that she ran, paid millions. The DNC, the one she controlled expenditures, paid millions.
    2. Latest reports have it up to around $9 Million between her campaign and her DNC.
    3. Money went to Russian govt officials for the information she used to influence the election.
    And yet you still have no source. I can't imagine why

    Again, talking directly to an avowed U.S. adversary about the campaign ≠ paying someone for information, who paid someone else for information, who paid someone else

    If you find it frustrating that Donald Trump Jr. is too stupid to cover himself by using intermediaries, I guess that's up to you

    And the dossier wasn't used in campaign messaging at all, so it hardly influenced the election

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Right, Trump Jr. is a dumbass, he really believes he's covered because he pulled the whole conversation, deleted all of the incriminating messages he sent, and then turned it over. Absolutely no one should accept a Twitter DM conversation copy from a subject of investigation as evidence of what was said.

    If Wikileaks will not provide the the whole, unabridged conversation --- which should surprise no one --- then Twitter needs to get a subpoeana for it. I believe that may be necessary, Twitter can disclose private tweets but DMs are considered a form of email and they can't just turn them over without the users' permission except in compliance with a court order.
    Ahh are you talking about the message Jr. tweeted out yesterday?

    I agree....

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    Now you can add this to the mix

    The FBI is reportedly looking into a group of wire transfers the Russian foreign ministry sent to embassies around the world with a memo line that said "to finance election campaign of 2016."The FBI is scrutinizing more than 60 wire transfers, BuzzFeed News reported on Tuesday, totaling more than $380,000.

    According to BuzzFeed, the money, which moved through Citibank accounts, was received between Aug. 3 and Sept. 20, 2016 to Russian embassies in nearly 60 countries, including Afghanistan and Nigeria.

    BuzzFeed cited a specific payment of $30,000 which the Russian foreign ministry sent to its embassy in Washington, D.C.

    At the end of September, the FBI learned about the wire transfers and is now looking into how the money was used.

    FBI scrutinizing Russian embassy payments 'to finance election campaign of 2016' | TheHill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    She just paid millions to a firm to conspire with the Russians to put together a fake dossier she could use to influence an election.
    Why would they need to conspire with Russians if the dossier is fake?

    And why wasn’t it leaked until after the election if it was supposed to influence it?

    Nothing about this D grade whataboutism makes even a hair of sense
    Last edited by Lunchboxxy; 14th November 2017 at 11:12 AM.
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